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There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:36pm
and also after that...
"...there is a silly arrogance in continuing to disdain something and to condemn it as false just because it seems unlikely to us. That is a common vice among those who think their capacities are above the ordinary.
. . . but reason has taught me that, if you condemn in this way anything whatever as definitely false and quite impossible, you are claiming to know the frontiers and bounds of the will of God and the power of Nature our Mother; it taught me also that there is nothing in the whole world madder than bringing matters down to the measure of our own capacities and potentialities.
How many of the things which constantly come into our purview must be deemed monstrous or miraculous if we apply such terms to anything which outstrips our reason! If we consider that we have to grope through a fog even to understand the very things we hold in our hands, then we will certainly find that it is not knowledge but habit which takes away their strangeness; . . ."
-- Montaigne -- Essays 1:27 -
An idea of how high eight feet is. The average ceiling in your home is almost exactly eight feet tall...
I'm 6'6" tall and without standing on my toes, if I stretch my hands straight above my head, I can reach up and touch an eight foot ceiling. I don't need a step ladder to change light bulbs in my house. In 1975, I literally bumped into a giant in Terre Haute, Indiana. He was 7'4" tall. Compared to his friend, standing right next to him, he was short... As tall as they were, they were both of average build. I also ran into a few rather tall gentlemen in Arizona in 1988. The one man...well, even when I stood on tippy-toes and stretched with all my might...I couldn't see over his shoulder when he stood in front of me...and he was about three times as wide as I am... Well, there was a fist fight going on, and he was blocking my view! I wouldn't want to sit behind him at the movies...unless he was sitting in front of the projector.
http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_0451.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants
http://www.crystalinks.com/homer.html
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/giant.html
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/W.Europe/W.Europe1.html
http://www.bibleufo.com/humanphenom91.htm
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/chptr6.html
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/11republic.html
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/chamishgiants.html
Oh. Just for comparison, Shaquille O'Neal is a tad over 7' tall and "officially" weighs about 325 pounds. I'd place his wieght at a bit closer to 360 or better. Basketball teams often "officially" report their player's heights and weights to be a bit less than what they actually are. They think that it gives them an edge. The average 6'6" guard on a basketball court weighs about 230 pounds, and they look to be a bit on the slender side of the scale. That's why I say that Shaq is probably a bit heavier than reported.
First: From the Bible
Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:11 - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20 - (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 3:11 - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:13 - And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Joshua 12:4 - And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
(NOTE: according to the standard cubit, Og was about twenty feet tall)
Joshua 13:12 - All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
Joshua 15:8 - And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Joshua 17:15 - And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Joshua 18:16 - And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
2 Samuel 21:16 - And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
2 Samuel 21:18 - And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2 Samuel 21:22 - These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1 Chronicles 20:4 - And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1 Chronicles 20:6 - And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.
1 Chronicles 20:8 - These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
Job 16:14 - He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant.
1 Samuel 17:4 - And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
1 Samuel 17:23 - And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them.
1 Samuel 21:9 - And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
1 Samuel 22:10 - And he enquired of the LORD for him, and gave him victuals, and gave him the sword of Goliath the Philistine.
2 Samuel 21:19 - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
1 Chronicles 20:5 - And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:36pm
http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/index2.htm
Genesis 6-4
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nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; from 'naphal' (5307); properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:--giant.
Joshua 12:4
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raw-faw' or raphah {raw-faw'}; from 'rapha'' (7495) in the sense of invigorating; a giant:--giant, Rapha, Rephaim(-s). See also 'Beyth Rapha'' (1051).
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bayth raw-faw' from 'bayith' (1004) and 'rapha'' (7497); house of (the) giant; Beth-Rapha, an Israelite:--Beth-rapha.
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raw-faw' or raphah {raw-faw'}; a primitive root; properly, to mend (by stitching), i.e. (figuratively) to cure:--cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, X thoroughly, make whole. See 'raphah' (7503).
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:37pm
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http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Lagoon/1345/giants.html
• In his book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John Haywood describes "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.
• Giant skeletons were found in the mid-1800s near Rutland and Rodman, New York. J.N. DeHart, M.D. found vertebrae "larger than those of the present type" in Wisconsin mounds in 1876. W.H.R. Lykins uncovered skull bones "of great size and thickness" in mounds of Kansas City area in 1877.
• George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana(Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975)
• A six foot, six inch skeleton was found in a Utah mound. This was at least a foot taller than the average Indian height in the area, and these natives- what few there were of them -were not mound builders.
• "A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr everhart near Zanesville, Ohio.(American Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61)
• Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883)
• A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas, Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report, Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91)
• A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault. (American Antiquarian, v7, 1885, 52f) click here for full article
• In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8 inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley. click here for full article
• In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 1888)
• A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978)
• The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered at the Beckley farm, Lake Koronis, Minnesota; while at Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants came to light. (St. Paul Globe, Aug. 12, 1896)
• In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada. click here for the full article
• In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similiar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long.(Review - Miner, June 19, 1931)
• A 7 foot 7 inch skeleton was reported to have been found on the Friedman ranch, near Lovelock, Nevada, in 1939.(Review - Miner, Sept. 29, 1939)
• In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:38pm
AUSTRALIAN GIANTS:
There was a race or group of people found in Australia called "meganthropus" by anthropologists. These people were of very large size--estimated between 7 to 12 feet tall, depending on what source you read. These people were found with mega tool artifacts, so their humaness is difficult to question. Four jaw fragments and thousands of teeth have been found in China of "gigantopithecus blacki"--named after the discover. Based on the size of the teeth and deep jaws, its size has been estimated at around 10 feet and as tall as 12 feet, 1200 pounds.
PROOF OF AUSTRALIAN GIANTS:
In old river gravels near Bathurst, NSW, huge stone artifacts -- clubs,
pounders, adzes, chisels, knives and hand axes -- all of tremendous weight, lie scattered over a wide area. These weigh anything from 8, 10, 15, to 21 and 25 pounds, implements which only men of tremendous proportions could possibly have made and used. Estimates for the actual size of these men range from 10 to 12 feet tall and over, weighing from 500 to 600 lbs. A fossicker searching the Winburndale River north of Bathurst discovered a large quartzitised fossil human molar tooth, far too big for any normal modern man. A similar find was made near Dubbo, N.S.W.
Prospectors working in the Bathurst district in the 1930's frequently
reported coming across numerous large human footprints fossilised in shoals of red jasper.
Even more impressive were fossil deposits found by naturalist Rex Gilroy around Bathurst. He excavated from a depth of 6 feet (2 m) below the surface a fossil lower back molar tooth measuring 67 mm. in length by 50mm. x 42 mm. across the crown. If his measurements are correct, the owner would have been at least 25 ft. tall, weighing well over 1,000 lbs!
At Gympie, Queensland, a farmer, Keith Walker, was ploughing his field when he turned up the large fragment of the back portion of a jaw which still possessed the hollow for a missing lower back molar tooth. This is now in Rex GiIroy's possession. The owner of the tooth would have stood at 10 feet tall.
In the Megalong Valley in the Blue Mountains NSW, a Mr P. Holman found in ironstone protruding from a creek bank the deeply impressed print of a large human-like foot. The print was that of the instep, with all 5 toes clearly shown. This footprint measures 7 inches across the toes. Had the footprint been complete it would have been at least 2 feet (60 cm in length, appropriate to a 12 foot human. However, the largest footprint found on the Blue Mountains must have belonged to a man 20 feet tall!
A set of 3 huge footprints was discovered near Mulgoa, south of Penrith, N.S.W. These prints, each measuring 2 ft long and 7 inches across the toes, are 6 ft. apart, indicating the stride of the 12 ft. giant who left them. These prints were preserved by volcanic lava and ash flows which "occurred millions of years" before man is supposed to have appeared on the Australian continent (if one is to believe the evolutionary theory): Noel Reeves found monstrous footprints near Kempsey, N.S.W. in sandstone beds on the Upper Macleay River. One print shows toe 4 inches (10cm) long and the total toe-span is 10 inches (25cm) - suggesting that the owner of the print may have been 17 feet tall.
It is certain the Aborigines were not the first to reach Australia.
Anthropologists maintain mainland Aborigines are in fact quite recent
arrivals that ate their predecessors who were akin to the New Guinea natives. Aborigine themselves admit in their ancient folklore that this land was inhabited by several groups of men, as well as giants, before they settled here.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:38pm
MORE GIANT RECORDS:
In an old book entitled "History And Antiquities Of Allerdale," there is an account of a giant found in Cumberland, England, at an unknown date in the middle ages. Called "A True Report of Hugh Hodson, of Thorneway," it states: "The said gyant was buried four yards deep in the ground, which is now a corn field. He was four yards and a half long, and was in complete armor; his sword and battle-axe lying by him....his teeth were six inches long, and two inches broad...." The bones of a twelve foot tall man were dug up in 1833 by a group of soldiers at Lompock Rancho, California. The skeleton was
surrounded by giant weapons, and the skull featured a double row of teeth. Yet another giant was unearthed in 1891, when workmen in Crittenden, Arizona excavated a huge stone coffin that had evidently once held the body of a man 12 feet tall. A carving on the granite case indicated that he had six toes.
A living giant was sighted in the little village of Buffalo Mills,
Pennsylvania, on August 19, 1973. A man at least nine feet tall strode down the main street of the village, dressed in strange clothing, which appeared to be made of some sort of shimmering material. He gazed at the startled townspeople in a dark, penetrating way and then loped off casually into oblivion.
OTHER GIANT EVIDENCES:
In July, 1877, four prospectors were looking for gold and silver
outcroppings in a desolate, hilly area near the head of Spring Valley, not far from Eureka, Nevada.
Scanning the rocks, one of the men spotted something peculiar projecting from a high ledge. Climbing up to get a better look, the prospector was surprised to find a human leg bone and knee cap sticking out of solid rock. He called to his companions, and together they dislodged the oddity with picks. Realizing they had a most unusual find, the men brought it into Eureka, where it was placed on display.
The stone in which the bones were embedded was a hard, dark red quartzite, and the bones themselves were almost black with carbonization - indicative of great age. When the surrounding stone was carefully chipped away, the specimen was found to be composed of a leg bone broken off four inches above the knee, the knee cap and joint, the lower leg bones, and the complete bones of the foot. Several medical doctors examined the remains, and were
convinced that anatomically they had indeed once belonged to a human being, and a very modern-looking one.
But an intriguing aspect of the bones was their size: from knee to heel they measured 39 inches. Their owner in life had thus stood over 12 feet tall. Compounding the mystery further was the fact that the rock in which the bones were found was dated geologically to the era of the dinosaurs, the Jurassic - over 185 million years old. The local papers ran several stories on the marvelous find, and two museums sent investigators to see if any more of the skeleton could be located. Unfortunately, nothing else but the leg and foot existed in the rock." Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth--Jochmans
EVEN MORE RECORDS OF GIANTS:
In 1936 Larson Kohl, the German paleontologist and anthropologist, found the bones of gigantic men on the shore of Lake Elyasi in Central Africa. Other giant skeletons were later found in Hava, the Transvaal and China. The evidence for the existence of giants is incontrovertible. "A scientifically assured fact," says Dr. Louis Burkhalter.
1. Large bones in stone graves in Williamson County and White County, Tennessee. Discovered in the early 1800s, the average stature of these giants was 7 feet tall.
2. Giant skeletons found in the mid-1800s in New York state near Rutland and Rodman.
3. In 1833, soldiers digging at Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by caved shells, stone axes, other artifacts. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried because the local Indians became upset about the remains.
4. A giant skull and vertebrae found in Wisconsin and Kansas City.
5. A giant found off the California Coast on Santa Rosa Island in the 1800s was distinguished by its double rows of teeth.
6. A 9-foot, 8-inch skeleton was excavated from a mount near Brewersville, Indiana, in 1879.
7. Skeletons of "enormous dimensions" were found in mounds near Zanesville, Ohio, and Warren, Minnesota, in the 1880s.
8. In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.
9. At Le Crescent, Wisconsin, mounds were found to contain giant bones. Five miles north near Dresbach, the bones of people over 8 feet tall were found.
10. In 1888 seven skeletons ranging from seven to 8 feet tall were
discovered.
11. Near Toledo, Ohio, 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people." The account also noted that odd hieroglyphics were found with the bodies.
12. Miners in Lovelock Cave, California, discovered a very tall, red-haired mummy In 1911
13. This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it was used for "initiation purposes."
14. In 1931, skeletons from 8 ½ to 10 feet long were found in the Humbolt lake bed in California.
15. In 1932, Ellis Wright found human tracks in the gypsum rock at White Sands, New Mexico. His discovery was later backed up by Fred Arthur, Supervisor of the Lincoln National Park and others who reported that each footprint was 22 inches long and from 8 to 10 inches wide. They were certain the prints were human in origin due to the outline of the perfect prints coupled with a readily apparent instep.
16. During World War II, author Ivan T. Sanderson tells of how his crew was bulldozing through sedimentary rock when it stumbled upon what appeared to be a graveyard. In it were crania that measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown nearly three times as large as an adult human skull. Had the creatures to whom these skulls belonged been properly proportioned, they undoubtedly would have been at least 12 feet tall or taller.
17. In 1947 a local newspaper reported the discovery of nine-foot-tall
skeletons by amateur archeologists working in Death Valley.
18. The archeologists involved also claimed to have found
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:38pm
THE KOSSUTH GIANTS:
Kossuth: October was a month of some excitement in scientific circles as seven strange and gigantic mummies were discovered just outside of Kossuth Center. Marvin Rainwater, a local farmer, had been digging a new well on his property and struck a deposit of very hard stone about nine feet below the topsoil. In attempting to dig it out, he found that it was more than four feet wide in every direction. Removing it would be a terrific chore. He considered the possibility that this was a layer of bedrock, but that would certainly be odd that close to the surface. Further, being somewhat familiar with geologic deposits, he knew that the stone was not the familiar limestone for which such Eastern Iowa areas like Stone City are famous. This
was something else entirely. Upon close inspection Rainwater also saw that the stone was not as rough as might be expected in a natural formation, but was in fact smooth and polished. Now very curious as to the nature of the find, he called several friends from surrounding farms and they began an excavation. They discovered that it was not a single stone, but rather one of at least several irregularly cut slabs stretching out over a wide area, yet fitted so tightly together that not even a knife blade could be put between them. Each slab measured roughly 8'x10', and when struck with a
sledge seemed to ring with a hollowness that might indicate this was not a floor but the outside portion of a ceiling. Rainwater wondered if he had not stumbled upon some sort of buried stone structure on his property. Believing that there might be a way to parlay living other than farming if he played his cards right, Mr. Rainwater contacted Georg Von Podebrad College, who in turn dispatched a team of archeologists, anthropologists, and geologists to the site. The researchers were delighted with the anomalies presented them.
Firstly, the stone was not at all native to Iowa, but was in fact basalt-a
hard, dense volcanic rock composed of plagioclase, augite, and magnetite. The type of stone used by the Egyptians to build their massive monuments. The depth of the slabs indicated that they had been there for a very long time, predating the advent of the kind of modern transportation and heavy machinery needed to bring such a large quantity of foreign stone to Iowa, and quite probably the slabs had been laid down before the last glacial age.
It is impossible to gauge with any certainty just how long they had been there. After the soil covering the slabs had been entirely removed, the area covered by the stones was a perfect square measuring 188 feet on each side. Digging around the perimeter revealed that Rainwater had been correct, the structure did go deeper into the ground. The cyclopean structure was revealed to be a pyramid similar in shape to one located at Marietta, Ohio, although those mounds and monuments erected by the prehistoric Indians were made of sun dried brick mixed with rushes. This technique, too, is curiously similar to the Egyptian technique of brick making with straw and mud. It took many months, but the entire structure was finally exposed, and on the eastern side was found a massive filled in archway with strong resemblance to those of ancient Greece. At the bottom of the arch was a smaller arch, measuring only 6' to the capstone. This too had been filled in and blocked off. With genuine awe and some hesitancy the scientists of the Rainwater
Site began the work of opening the smaller entryway, wondering what light from the first torch penetrated the gloom of the ancient structure, Albert Grosslockner gasped at what he thought were seven huge and exquisitely detailed statues seated in a ring around a very large and deep fire pit. Moving closer, he realized that the figures were not carved of stone, but were in fact the mummified remains of some giant humanoid race.
Could what they found be in fact a prehistoric burial vault for some pre-human creatures or was it a prison designed to hold some freakish aberration of nature? The figures, were each fully ten feet tall even when measured seated in their cross-legged positions. They all faced into the circle with arms folded across their legs. Upon close examination it was seen that they had double rows of teeth in their upper and lower jaws. The foreheads were unusually low and sloping, with exceedingly prominent brows. The skin of the
mysterious giants was wrinkled and tough, as though tanned, and the hair of each of them was distinctly red in color. Their faces, still very expressive even in death, taunted the scientists with their silence. Who, or what, were these creatures, how had they come to be locked in this stone room, and where had the stone itself come from originally? After careful excavation of the site, the bodies were removed for x-ray and autopsy examination. The excitement over the find was far in excess of the "Gypsum Man" find in Iowa so many years before-a hoax from which the Putnam Museum of Davenport had never fully recovered from. These giants were very real. The medical examinations demonstrated that there was definite skeletal structure, that they were organic creatures who had once been very much alive.
One explanation for the mummies might lie in the legends of the Paiute Indians who tell of a race of red-haired giants who were their mortal enemies centuries ago. They were called the Si-Te-Cahs, driven from Nevada by a previously unheard of alliance of tribes. Did the Si-Te-Cahs retreat from the west to Iowa? Was the stone structure here before and simply co-opted by the giants? No one may ever know, however it is interesting to note that among the Indian relics held in the Kossuth County chapter of the State Historical Society are three robes made entirely from very long strands of red hair. We await DNA comparisons of samples taken from the mummies and the
robes to determine a connection. In the mean-time, Marvin Rainwater has had his farm purchased by interested parties in Hopkins Grove for an undisclosed sum, and is quite happily no longer toiling in his fields or digging wells.
GIANT SKULLS FOUND:
Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones. The crania measured
from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper portion of the skull).
In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing it to
grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre
relics, but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, ""...is it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?""
GIANT FOOTPRINTS:
In South Africa, a giant footprint of a woman measuring over 4 feet long has been carbon dated at approximately 9 million years old. Pointing to the probability of this being a female human-like species' foot, proportionally the two-legged being would need to be some 30 feet tall! The local African people commonly refer to this as a highly revered and sacred site. Giants, twice the size of gorillas, were found in Java.
The petrified remains of a giant were found in South Africa. A well-known anthropologist declared that these remains showed that these man's ancestors must have been giants.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:39pm
GIANT DEVILS:
Within an ancient burial mound near the town of Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, skeletons measuring approximately 7 feet in length were discovered in the 1800s. But the most remarkable feature of these tall skeletons was not their height, but the strange horn-like protrusions above the brow region on their skulls. It was estimated that they were buried around 1200 AD. According to some sources, the skeletons were sent to the "American Investigating Museum" in Philadelphia, and vanished.
REVISED ARTICLES:
In Lampec-Rancho California, in 1833, soldiers discovered a skeleton 11' 9'' long which was covered with boulders with an unidentified writing. A similar writing was unearthed on the isle of Santa Maria off the cost of Los Angeles. In July of 1887 in Eureka Nevada, a human leg was found measuring 38.9 inches form the knee to the heel. The man was over 11 foot tall. In Crittenton Arizona in 1891 a sarcophagus was uncovered containing a human 3 meters high and had 12 toes. More recently skeletons ranging from 2.8 meters to 3.12 meters were found by soviets in the Caucasus Mountains. In China
skeletons 10 feet tall have been found. In the Philippines a giant human skeleton was found at gargation, Measuring 17 feet long. In the Eagle three Cole mine at Bear Creek Montana in 1920 two human molars were found three times larger than normal. In Braton Tennessee human footprints were found in solid rock 33 inches log and one foot wide. These also have six toes each.
Tools found in Morocco are so large their users must have been at least 12 foot tall. Other Giants found around the world are: the Java giant, the south China giant, and the South Africa giant. (See The Timeless Earth p. 26)
In 1833,soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine at Lompock
Rancho, California, hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and came up with the skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, huge stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unintelligible symbols. The giant was also noteworthy in still another respect :He had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower. When the natives began to attach some religious significance to the find, authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied- and, of course, lost to the scientific study they deserved.
This particular giant, incidentally, bore marked similarity to another, that of a giant man with double rows of teeth whose skeletal remains were dug up on Santa Rosa Island, off the California coast. Subsequent research has shown that he, or his descendants, feasted on the small elephants which once lived on that island and which have vanished like the giants who ate them, countless ages ago.
Near Crittenden, Arizona, in 1891, workmen excavating for a commercial building came upon a huge stone sarcophagus eight feet below the surface. The contractor called in expert help, and the sarcophagus was opened to reveal a granite mummy case which had once held the body of a human being more than twelve feet tall -a human with six toes, according to the carving of the case. But the body had been buried so many thousands of years that it had
long since turned to dust. Just another silent witness to the truth of
Genesis, which tells us that there were giants in the earth in those
days, the excavation of over a dozen skeletons 8 to 12 feet tall, around the world, shocked archeologists.
These skeletons were positively human. Some of these skeletal remains are on Maui in lava caves near Ulupalakua and Olowalu. An example of this is the "mysterious" disappearance of more than 50 perfectly kept gigantic antediluvian skeletons (between 10-14 feet tall) found in a cave in Arizona.
Earth Giants : over the years a number of gigantic human skeletons have been unearthed. The most distinctive of these were the remains of some American giants found in the 1880s at Tioga Point, near Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, as recounted by Robert Lyman in Forbidden Land. Some other examples include the following:
A decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28 metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.
A human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 foot) tall was unearthed at Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse symbols associated with it.
Several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres (6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock artifacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these artifacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum at Reno.
THE HUBBARD DISCOVERY:
In this magazine for September, 1923, we mentioned a reported discovery by Mr. Samuel Hubbard, of remains of giants in the Grand Canyon of Arizona. Owing to press unreliability, we did not notice this to a great extent. We have now, however, obtained more knowledge on the subject, and there remains no doubt that Mr. Hubbard has actually made a discovery composed of the following parts:
(a) Petrified bodies of two human beings about 18 and 15 feet in height respectively. One of these is buried under a recent rock fall which would require several days' work to remove; the other, of which Mr. Hubbard took photographs, is in a crevice of difficult accessibility. The bodies are formed of a limestone petrification embedded in sandstone.
(b) An ancient beach, now sandstone, containing a great number of footprints of a giant race, men, women and children; the prints of adults about 17 to 20 inches in length, and corresponding in size and shape to the Carson City and Blue Ridge prints.
EVEN MORE GIANT RECORDS:
According to a press clipping, dated Nayarit, Mexico, May 14, 1926, Capts. D. W. Page and F. W. Devalda discovered the bones of a race of giants who averaged over ten feet in height. Local legends state that they came from Ecuador. Nothing more has been heard of this, but that is not surprising; the word "giant" will flutter the feathers of any scientist into rapid flight, metaphorically speaking, in the opposite direction. So also with a report from the Washington Post, June 22, 1925, and the New York Herald-Tribune, June 21, 1925. A mining party, it is reported, found skeletons measuring 10 to 12 feet, with feet 18 to 20 inches long, near Sisoguiche, Mexico. The Los Angeles Times, October 2, 1927, says that explorers in Mexico located large human bones near Tapextla, indicating a race of "gigantic size." All this, if unfounded, would be straining
coincidence or imagination pretty far.
Press accounts say that the skeleton of a gigantic man, with head missing, has been unearthed at El Boquin, on the Mico River, in the Chontales district. The ribs are a yard long and four inches wide and the shin bone is too heavy for one man to carry. "Chontales" is an Indian word, meaning "wild men."
In the late 1950's during road construction in Homs southeast Turkey, many tombs of Giants were indeed unearthed. These tombs were 4 meters long, and when entered in 2 cases the human thigh bones were measured to be 47.24 inches in length. They calculated that the person who owned this Femur probably stood at fourteen to sixteen feet tall. A cast of this bone is seen at the Creationist museum in Texas.
Flavius Josephus, the noted Jewish historian of the first century A.D.,
described the giants as having "bodies so large and countenances so entirely different from other men that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing." And he adds that in his day, the bones of the giants were still on display!
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The Sons of Redhorn Find Their Father (§5 of the Redhorn Cycle)
retold by Richard L. Dieterle
Redhorn's first wife, the girl in the white beaverskin wrap, gave birth to a son who had the same red hair as his father and even the human heads hanging from his ears. Redhorn's second wife, the Giantess, also gave birth to a red haired boy, but he had living faces where his nipples should have been. These were spared by the victorious Giants and grew up to be very large. One day the older boy went out to fast in order to get a blessing from the Thunderbirds. He would seek his visions at a place not far from a broad prairie where the Giants had a village. There he knew that the head of his father, whose hair had by now turned white, hung from a lodge pole. When he called out to the spirits he did so with a death song, the kind sung by prisoners who are about to be executed. This song had a strange power so that whenever a Giant heard it he would immediately jump into the fire. That is why he fasted near this village. When the old men of the village saw that so many Giants were immolating themselves, they correctly guessed at the cause, and ordered that four sentinels be posted by the scalp pole to watch in the direction of the sky. Two of the sentinels painted themselves red and the other two painted themselves black. Just the same, the boys resolved then and there to retrieve the heads of their fathers.
First they made two red and two black arrows, then turned themselves into feathers and floated down from the sky, each landing on a different severed head. Immediately they shot the two black sentinels in the throat with black arrows and they died coughing up black blood. They next shot the red Giants in the throat with red arrows and they died coughing up red blood. The boys grabbed the heads and ran as the Giants yelled, "After them! They stole the heads!" As the boys fled they mowed down the Giants with their arrows, each arrow killing several Giants at once. When the arrows ran out they used their bows as clubs, killing almost all the Giants. A little girl and the boy that she packed on her back they spared so that the race of Giants should not become extinct. Nevertheless, they threw the two survivors across the ocean as an added precaution. Afterwards they burned the bodies of the Giants and ground up their bones, spreading the powder around their own village.
They took the head of Redhorn and asked their mothers to sleep with it, but each replied, "How can I sleep with that, it is only a skull?" So the boys took all the heads and laid them in a row on a bed in the middle of the lodge. The next day Redhorn, Turtle, and Thunderbird were all found whole and sleeping in the bed. Furthermore, where they scattered the powdered bone, all the people whom the Giants had killed were also found alive and sleeping. When the wives of the resurrected men saw them, they shouted, "Oh, our sons have brought our husbands back to life again!" The boys picked up their fathers and carried them around like children. In gratitude, Turtle and Storms as He Walks promised to give the boys their special weapons, but Redhorn had to confess, "I have no weapon to give you, yet I have given you of myself, as I see that you are just like me." [1]
Commentary. "the powdered bone" -- Radin believed that the powdered bones used in resurrection were those of the victims of the Giants rather than those of the Giants themselves. Two other stories, however, show that this is incorrect. In the myth "Grandfather's Two Families," it is clearly the bones of Giants that are used to resurrect a village, and in "The Woman who Loved Her Half-Brother," the powdered bones of a were-grizzly were used to resurrect the village that she had massacred (and eaten).
Comparative Material. The Ioway have a story that is very similar. "Human-head-earrings had a son who was exactly like him in appearance except that instead of having tiny human heads in his ears, one grew out of the middle of his chest. Blackhawk also left a son, and the two boys grew up together. When they were about eleven years of age they asked their mothers what had become of their fathers and they were told that the giants had killed them. The boys found out where the giants were and set out to find them and be revenged. When they drew near to the giant village they turned themselves into spider webs and floated over the settlement. They found out that the heads of Human-head-earrings, Turtle, and Blackhawk were kept in a sacred place and watched over constantly by the braves. They retired about a quarter of a mile from the town, and the son of Human-head-earrings sang: 'Father, father, the giants are going to die; I've located them.' Then the son of Human-head-earrings, who was on a bush, began to rock and spit blood. At once the giants were magically affected in the same way. One of them cried, 'That's what we get for bothering human beings, one of them has at last grown up and is attacking us.' Finally they all died, and now there are no longer any giants. The boys found the three heads and brought them home. The son of Human-head-earrings placed them together on the ground and the boys shot four arrows into the air and brought the three to life. Old Turtle sat up first and yawned, rubbed his eyes, stretched, and said, 'I've slept a long time.' 'Yes,' replied the son of Human-head-earrings, 'but for us you would be still asleep.' They all went home. 'Well,' said Turtle, 'I'm going to leave my children here, but I'll still be helpful to them, and make them strong and powerful when they think of me and see me as a turtle. They can swallow my heart and thus gain my qualities and attributes. I will give them my tenacity of life.' From then on Turtle went into the water to live. Blackhawk likewise decided to depart, but before leaving his children he gave them the war powers that are included in the war bundles. These powers re to see far, locate the enemy, and pounce upon them. Human-head-earrings was only a man like the rest of us, but he said that when he died his little heads should live always. So now when we die the little person invisible to us that dwells in us (the soul) goes to the other world." [2]
Links: Storms as He Walks, Redhorn, The Sons of Earthmaker, Turtle, Sons of Redhorn, Giants, Thunderbirds.
Links within the Redhorn Cycle: §4. Redhorn Contests the Giants, §6. Adventures of Redhorn's Sons.
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Stories: featuring the sons of Redhorn as characters: The Redhorn Cycle, Redhorn's Sons, The Adventures of Redhorn's Sons, The Seduction of Redhorn's Son, Young Man and Naked One; mentioning Redhorn: The Redhorn Cycle, Redhorn's Sons, The Mission of the Five Sons of Earthmaker, Young Man and Naked One, Baldheaded Warclub Origin Myth, The Twins Join Redhorn's Warparty, The Medicine Rite Foundation Myth, The Spirit of Gambling, The Green Man, The Hotcâgara Contest the Giants, cp. The Cosmic Ages of the Hotcâgara; featuring Giants as characters: A Giant Visits His Daughter, Turtle and the Giant, The Stone Heart, Young Man Gambles Often, Spear Shaft and Lacrosse, Redhorn Contests the Giants, Morning Star and His Friend, The Reincarnated Grizzly Bear, The Old Man and the Giants, Shakes the Earth, White Wolf, Young Man and Naked One, The Hotcâgara Contest the Giants, The Roaster, Grandfather's Two Families, Redhorn's Sons, Thunder Cloud is Blessed, The Human Head, Rich Man, Boy, and Horse, Sun and the Big Eater, The Big Eater, How the Thunders Met the Nights, The Origins of the Milky Way, Ocean Duck, The Blessing of a Bear Clansman, Wears White Feathers on His Head, cf. The Shaggy Man; mentioning Thunderbirds: The Thunderbird, Warughápara, How the Thunders Met the Nights, The Boy who was Captured by the Bad Thunderbirds, Traveler and the Thunderbird War, The Boulders of Devil's Lake, Thunderbird and White Horse, Bluehorn's Nephews, How the Hills and Valleys were Formed (vv. 1, 2), The Man who was a Reincarnated Thunderbird, The Thunder Charm, The Lost Blanket, The Twins Disobey Their Father, The Thunderbird Clan Origin Myth, The Wonághire Uánkcik Clan Origin Myth, Eagle Clan Origin Myth, Pigeon Clan Origins, Bird Clan Origin Myth, Adventures of Redhorn's Sons, Brave Man, Ocean Duck, Turtle's Warparty, The Daughter-in-Law's Jealousy, The Quail Hunter, The Twins Join Redhorn's Warparty, Redhorn's Sons, The Dipper, The Stone that Became a Frog, The Race for the Chief's Daughter, Redhorn Contests the Giants, The Warbundle of the Eight Generations, Medicine Rite Foundation Myth, Origin of the Hotcâk Chief, The Spirit of Gambling, Wolf Clan Origin Myth, Aratcgéga's Blessings, Kunu's Warpath, The Orphan who was Blessed with a Horse, The Nightspirits Bless Tciwoit'éhiga, The Green Waterspirit of the Wisconsin Dells, Baldheaded Warclub Origin Myth, The Big Stone, The Origins of the Milky Waye.
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Themes: a spirit has faces on each earlobe: Redhorn Contests the Giants, Young Man and Naked One, Îtcohorúcika and His Brothers, Morning Star and His Friend, The Hotcâgara Contest the Giants; a being has red hair: Redhorn's Sons, Young Man and Naked One, Hare Retrieves a Stolen Scalp (vv. 1 & 2), The Hotcâgara Contest the Giants, Redhorn Contests the Giants, The Daughter-in-Law's Jealousy, A Wife for Knowledge, He Who Eats the Stinking Part of the Deer Ankle; red as a symbolic color: The Journey to Spiritland (hill, willows, reeds, smoke, stones, haze), The Gottschall Head (mouth), The Chief of the Herok'a (clouds, side of Forked Man), The Red Man (face, sky, body, hill), Spear Shaft and Lacrosse (neck, nose, painted stone), Young Man and Naked One (leggings, stone sphere, hair), Wears White Feathers on His Head (man), The Birth of the Twins (turkey bladder headdresses), The Two Boys (elk bladder headdresses), Trickster and the Mothers (sky), Rich Man, Boy, and Horse (sky), The Blessings of the Buffalo Spirits (Buffalo Spirit), Bluehorn Rescues His Sister (buffalo head), Wazûka (buffalo head headdress), The Baldheaded Warclub Origin Myth (horn), The Brown Squirrel (protruding horn), Bear Clan Origin Myth (funerary paint), Wonághire Uánkcik Clan Origin Myth (funerary paint), Deer Clan Origin Myth (funerary paint), Thunderbird Clan Origin Myth (stick at grave), Pigeon Clan Origins (Thunderbird lightning), Trickster's Anus Guards the Ducks (eyes), Hare Retrieves a Stolen Scalp (scalp, woman's hair), The Race for the Chief's Daughter (hair), The Daughter-in-Law's Jealousy (hair), Redhorn's Sons (hair), Redhorn Contests the Giants (hair), The Woman's Scalp Medicine Bundle (hair), A Wife for Knowledge (hair), He Who Eats the Stinking Part of the Deer Ankle (hair), The Hotcâgara Contest the Giants (hair of Giantess), A Man and His Three Dogs (wolf hair), The Red Feather (plumage), The Man who was Blessed by the Sun (body of Sun), Red Bear, Eagle Clan Origin Myth (eagle), The Shell Anklets Origin Myth (Waterspirit armpits), The Twins Join Redhorn's Warparty (Waterspirits), The Roaster (body paint), The Man who Defied Disease Giver (red spot on forehead), The Wild Rose (rose), The Medicine Rite Foundation Myth (warclub), Îtcohorúcika and His Brothers (ax & packing strap), Hare Kills Flint (flint), The Twins Retrieve Red Star's Head (edges of flint knives), The Mulberry Picker (leggings), The Seduction of Redhorn's Son (cloth), Yûgiwi (blanket); polygamy: Bladder and His Brothers (v. 2), The Daughter-in-Law's Jealousy, The Green Man, Wazûka, Bluehorn's Nephews, The Markings on the Moon, Redhorn's Sons, Hare Kills Sharp Elbow, Hare Gets Swallowed, Bluehorn Rescues His Sister, The Spirit of Gambling; ground up bones of evil spirits used to resurrect their victims: Partridge's Older Brother, Grandfather's Two Families, The Woman who Loved Her Half-Brother; a hero recaptures a red-haired scalp: Hare Retrieves a Stolen Scalp; wiping out the Giants except for two individuals who are thrown across the sea: Grandfather's Two Families; head hunting: Big Thunder Teaches Tcaposgaga the Warpath, A Man's Revenge, How Little Priest went out as a Soldier, Bluehorn's Nephews, The Twins Retrieve Red Star's Head, The Boy who was Blessed by a Mountain Lion, Young Man Gambles Often, The Dipper, The Four Slumbers Origin Myth, Porcupine and His Brothers, Turtle's Warparty, Ocean Duck, The Markings on the Moon, Wears White Feathers on His Head, The Red Man, The Chief of the Herok'a, Thunderbird and White Horse, The Man with Two Heads, Brave Man, Redhorn's Sons, Fighting Retreat, The Children of the Sun, The Were-Grizzly, Winneconnee Origin Myth; two brothers transform themselves to conceal themselves from the view of the enemy from whom they would retrieve their relative's head: The Twins Retrieve Red Star's Head, The Man with Two Heads, The Children of the Sun; a hero floats down upon his enemies in the form of a feather: The Thunderbird, Partridge's Older Brother; Turtle has a sacred, double-edged knife: Turtle and the Giant, Redhorn's Sons, The Chief of the Herok'a, Turtle's Warparty, Baldheaded Warclub Origin Myth, Spear Shaft and Lacrosse, The Medicine Rite Foundation Myth, Turtle.
Notes:
[1] Paul Radin, Winnebago Hero Cycles: A Study in Aboriginal Literature (Baltimore: Waverly Press, 1948) 131-132.
[2] "6. Wâkx!istowi, the Man with the Human Head Earrings," Alanson Skinner, "Traditions of the Iowa Indians," The Journal of American Folklore, vol. 38, #150 (Oct.-Dec., 1925): 427-506 [457-458].
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Early in the research, Robert L. Hall identified the figures in this composition as the main characters in a Ho-Chunk (Winnebago) oral tradition called the "Legend of Red Horn", which anthropologist Paul Radin recorded around the turn of the century. From left to right: a giant, a turtle, a red-haired giant Chieftainess, Storms-As-He-Walks (thunderbird), and Red Horn (He-Who-Wears-Human-Heads-As-Earrings). A similar legend was recorded for the Ioway by Alanson Skinner. The Ho-Chunk and the Ioway are closely related linguistically.
The lengthy legend is an heroic saga detailing the exploits of Red Horn. At one point, the hero is joined by his friends, Turtle and Storms-as-he-walks (who is a thunderbird who opts to live as a human) in a contest with the champions of a race of giants who have been killing Red Horn's people. The two large figures on the wall are presumed to represent the giants, the smaller human is Red Horn. The crested falcon-like bird is the thunderbird and the Ho-Chunk note that such creatures tie cedar bows to their heads (which explains the crest). The legend goes on to say that one of the giants, a chieftainess, has red hair, and one of the giant figures has red paint behind (her) head. This woman becomes Red Horn's second wife.
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Acrobatic Giant
By his fifteenth year, a boy from Hurtfield in Sussex had already soared to a height of seven feet four inches. The "young Colossus" not only showed none of the clumsiness common to that age but had such command of his huge frame that he could perform well on the tight rope. In 1745, he came to London and soon won a large public following with his balancing acts. He became such a hit, in fact, that on June 3, 1745, his sponsors ran this ad in the Daily Advertiser. "Whatever is in itself good will always make its way, although not ushered into the world with pompous paragraphs or pageant-like puffs. As an example of this truth the undertakers of the New Wells, near the London Spaw, beg leave to assure the town, since thronging audiences have been pleased to encourage their endeavours, they intend to double their pains, and hope for a continuance of favour. The god of wine and deity of wit have long gone hand-in-hand, and to keep them both alive the best way is to blend them; therefore, for the reception of the curious, they have provided the best of both their productions; and, as varieties in nature are as pleasing as those of art, the greatest that can now be shown is every evening to be seen at the Wells, viz. a young Colossus, who, though not 16, is seven feet four inches high, has drawn more company this season than was ever known before, and must convince the world that the ancient race of Britons is not extinct, but that we may yet hope to see a race of giant-like heroes.
"The Wonderful Young Giant will perform on the rope this present Saturday at the New Wells, near the London Spaw, Clerken-well."1
African Giantess
An African woman who exhibited at London's Bartholomew Fair in 1832 stood seven feet in height.2
Amazon Queen
A girl who billed herself as "Miss Marion, the Queen of the Amazons," became a popular attraction in London in 1882. Though barely eighteen, she rose before her audiences at the Alhambra in Leicester Square to a height of eight feet six inches.3
Antoninus, Marcus
Some human bones dug up on an old Roman camp site near St. Albans, in Hertfordshire, just outside of London, were examined by W. Cheselden, a well-known anatomist. After measuring the skull, the femur, and the tibia, he concluded that the man stood about eight feet tall. Writing in the Philosophical Transactions for 1712, Cheselden noted that near the bones was found an urn inscribed with the name "Marcus Antoninus." (See Caesar's Triumph over the Giants; Graveyards of the Giants)
Arthur, King (See Glastonbury Giant)
Auger, George
In 1903, Barnum and Bailey Circus added George Auger, an eight-foot-four-inch native of Wales, to its stable of curiosities. Billed as "The Cardiff Giant, positively the tallest man on earth," he immediately became one of America's most recognizable public figures, especially when he paraded down the nation's main streets in his frontiersman's clothes, high-heeled boots, and a plumed hat that made him appear nine feet tall.4
After retiring from circus life, he wrote short stories and skits. One of his satirical pieces, "Jack the Giant Killer," played in vaudeville, with Auger in the starring role.
Bell, Thomas
While serving as a blacksmith's apprentice to his father, Thomas Bell grew to seven feet and two inches. Like his father and his father's father before him, he only wanted to be a good blacksmith. But as word of his great height spread, many curious people came by to see him. When this became disruptive to his father's business, young Bell decided to leave blacksmithing and cash in on his tallness. He thereafter toured England, exhibiting himself in the principal towns and at fairs. Billed as the "Cambridge Giant," he appeared in May, 1813, at the age of thirty-six, at the Hog in the Pound on Oxford Street. That same year his portrait was included in Kirby's Wonderful Museum, showing him dressed in a collegiate gown and knee-breeches.5
Benlli
While building a new road near Mold in Flintshire in 1833, workers came across a tumulus in which they found some bones and a skull of great size, along with a Lorica or golden vest. Most believed the bones to be the remains of the renowned giant Welsh warrior Benlli who lived at Mold (c. A.D. 500), and who was surnamed the "Giant of the Golden Vest."
The golden vest, of leather and inlaid with thin, fine gold of beautiful workmanship, is preserved in the British Museum.6 (See Graveyards of the Giants)
Blacker, Henry
Henry Blacker, styled "The British Giant," hailed from Cuckfield in Sussex. In 1751, at the age of twenty-seven, he came to London to launch his career as a touring giant. Because the pro-portions of his seven-foot-four-inch body were so exceptional, he gained a large following of admirers, including William, the tall Duke of Cumberland. That same year H. Carpenter made an engraving of Blacker, and some years later his full-length portrait was included in Caulfield's Remarkable Persons.
This promotion for one of Blacker's earlier appearances ran in the December 9, 1752, issue of the Daily Advertiser: "This is to acquaint the curious, that Mr. Blacker, the Modern Living Colossus, or Wonderful Giant, who has given universal satisfaction, is to be seen in a commodious room, in Half-Moon-court, joining to Ludgate. This phenomenon in nature hath already had the honour of being inspected by great numbers of the nobility and gentry, by many of the Royal Society, and several gentlemen and ladies, who are lovers of natural curiosities; who allow him to be of a stupendous height, and affirm him to be the best proportioned of his size they ever saw. He is to be seen by any number of persons, from nine in the morning till nine at night, without loss of time. Note. --Lost, last Tuesday night, between Norton Falgate and Ludgate, a boot. Whoever has found it, shall receive three shillings reward."7
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Boudicca, the Giant Queen
When some Roman centurions plundered the estate of Prasutagus, king of the Iceni, and raped his two daughters, his giant red-haired widow, Queen Boudicca, grabbed a spear and led an uprising against their Roman overlords that became the bloodiest inflicted upon the Latins during their long occupation of Britain. The rebel-lion also cost the Celts eighty thousand of their own people.
According to the Roman historian Dio Cassius, the Amazon-like queen was no beauty. "She was enormous of frame, terrifying of mien, and with a rough, shrill voice," he writes. "A great mass of bright red hair fell down to her knees; she wore a huge twisted torque of gold, and a tunic of many colors, over which was a thick mantle held by a brooch. When she grasped a spear, it was to strike fear into all who observed her."8 (See Caesar's Triumph over the Giants)
Boyd, Susannah
At nineteen, the English lass Susannah Boyd, of Scribe, near Seaford, measured seven feet and one inch and weighed about two hundred and sixty pounds, all of it remarkably well-proportioned.9
British Phenomenon
In 1826, a showman named H. Lee took a young giantess under his wing for a tour of England. A handbill announcing this new attraction to the public proclaimed: "The British Phenomenon, Miss Hold, the Somersetshire Giantess, of Crewkherne, only 16 years of age, whose immense stature measures nearly seven feet, commanding a prepossessing figure beyond description, and must be seen to be believed. She is a striking instance of nature unassisted by art, and has proved a magnet of irresistible attraction to the wondering world. This is the first time she was ever exhibited in this town, and it is great to say, that she is the only giantess now travelling the United Kingdom. She is remarkably stout and well-proportioned, possessing a pleasing and interesting countenance, and is allowed by every visitor to be the Tallest Woman in the World!"10
Bunford, Jane
Jane Bunford (d. 1922), from Barley Green, England, extended upward a full seven feet seven inches. She grew her hair to a length of eight feet--very possibly the longest head of hair in all history.11
Byrne, Charles (alias O'Brien)
In April of 1782, Charles Byrne came to London to see what fame and fortune his towering eight-foot-two-inch physique might bring him. He quickly attracted a lot of attention, as this glowing May 6, 1782, newspaper report bears out: "However striking a curiosity may be, there is generally some difficulty in engaging the attention of the public; but even this was not the case with the modern living Colossus, or wonderful Irish Giant; for no sooner was he arrived at an elegant apartment at the cane-shop, in Spring Garden-gate, next door to Cox's Museum, than the curious of all degrees resorted to see him, being sensible that a prodigy like this never made its appearance among us before: and the most penetrating have frankly declared, that neither the tongue of the most florid orator, or pen of the most ingenious writer, can sufficiently describe the elegance, symmetry, and proportion of this wonderful phenomenon in nature, and that all description must fall infinitely short of giving that satisfaction which may be obtained on a judicious inspection."
But fame and fortune enticed Byrne, or O'Brien, as he liked to be called, to drink to excess. The following newspaper item of April 23,1783, indicates he was on such a binge when a pickpocket stole all his savings: "The Irish Giant a few evenings since, taking a lunar ramble, was tempted to visit the Black Horse, a little public-house facing the King's-mew; and before he turned to his own apartments, found himself a less man than he had been the beginning of the evening, by the loss of upwards of 700l in bank notes, which had been taken out of his pocket."
Following this substantial loss, the huge Irishman lapsed into a fit of dark despair, which no amount of drink could dispel. In June, 1783, in his elegant apartment on thingyspurstreet, Byrne, one of England's most famous giants, died at the young age of twenty-two.
Fearing on his deathbed that the surgeons would try to get his body and dissect it, Byrne asked that he be buried at sea. His great fear of the surgeons was not unfounded, as this June 5, 1783, newspaper account confirms: "The whole tribe of surgeons put in a claim for the poor departed Irish Giant, and surrounded his house just as Greenland harthingyers would an enormous whale. One of them has gone so far as to have a niche made for himself in the giant's coffin, in order to his being ready at hand, on the 'witching time of night, when church-yards yawn.'" In another newspaper that same day appeared this grim story: "Since the death of the Irish Giant, there have been more physical consultations held than ever were convened to keep Harry the Eight in existence. The object of these Esculapian deliberations is to get the poor departed giant into their possession; for which purpose they wander after his remains from place to place, and mutter more fee, faw, fums than ever were breathed by the whole gigantic race, when they attempted to scale heaven and dethrone Jupiter!"
One of the many archaeological mysteries from this area was the reported finding of giant prehistoric human skeletons.
"On the earth there once were giants." Greek poet Homer wrote in 400 B.C.
Of the many archaeological mysteries, one of the most enigmatic has been discoveries of giant prehistoric human skeletons.
Marion County was home to part of the ancient civilization which historical accounts and artifacts indicate existed in this region - a culture with many clues and questions concerning its existence. What mysterious people constructed earthen forts, burial mounds, macadamized roadways? Who left pictographs, inscribed stones and giant skeletons lo be discovered?
In the 1850s while excavating a root cellar in Palatine (East Fairmont), workers uncovered two very large human skeletons. Measuring the bones, people were amazed to find the entombed humans had been more than 7 feet tall.
Many curious onlookers observed the skeletons which mysteriously disappeared overnight, apparently stolen for greedy purpose. A lucrative market in "Indian relics" existed in the early I9th century. Artifacts from all over Marion County were sold to travelers and purchasing agents representing Eastern museums.
It was reported that hundreds of ancient pieces of pottery, flint weapons, stone carvings and skeletons were peddled at the Valley Falls railroad station. Some of the finest specimens were purchased by visiting German royalty and taken to Europe as curios.
In 1875 workmen were constructing a bridge near the mouth of Paw Paw Creek at Rivesville. While digging through heavy clay soil they were astonished to uncover three giant skeletons strands of reddish hair clinging to the skulls. A local doctor was called to examine the remains.
Exposure to air deteriorated the bones rapidly to but the doctor was able ascertain after careful measurement, the skeletons had supported people approximately 8 feet tall.
In September 1882 amateur archaeologist F.M. Fetty and his wife were exploring along White Day Creek. As Mr. Fetty crawled back into the recesses of an over-hanging cliff shelter he noticed an unusual pattern in the rock formation.
Upon close examination a false wall was discovered in the back of the shallow cave. Removing several large stones the Fettys were startled by what they found. The remains of a giant human in a sitting position with artifacts of stone and flint surrounding the prehistoric cadaver.
In the summer of 1883 James A. Faulkner unearthed an unusually large human skeleton in the same area. Dr. Samuel Kramer of Smithtown measured this skeleton and found it to be 7 feet 4 inches long. Dr. Kramer deduced the living person must have been almost 8 feet tall.
There have been historical references to a mystic race of giant red-haired humans inhabiting this continent in the distant past. Respected Biblical scholars think a lost tribe from Israel once lived in North America. Evidence exists of 5th-century Irish monks exploring West Virginia. Many questions remain to be answered.
Everyone loves a mystery and these giant skeletons reported by reputable people would make Sherlock Holmes scratch his head. This is another intriguing story of Marion County's past that will forever be unexplained.
By Dave Cain
http://www.theaaca.com/biocain4.htm
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:42pm
http://www.paranormality.com/earth_giants.shtml
Earth Giants : over the years a number of gigantic human skeletons have been unearthed. The most distinctive of these were the remains of some American giants found in the 1880s at Tioga Point, near Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, as recounted by Robert Lyman in Forbidden Land. Some other examples include the following:
a decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28 metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.
a human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 foot) tall was unearthed at Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse symbols associated with it.
several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres (6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock artefacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these artefacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum at Reno.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:42pm
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx361.htm
Skeletons, from Kent.com
Human skulls with horns were discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania, in the 1880's. Horny projections extended two inches above the eye-brows, and the skeletons were seven feet tall, but other than that were anatomically normal. It was estimated they were buried around AD 1200. Some of the bones were sent to the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia, where they seem to have disappeared.
In 1837, a number of tiny human skeletons from 3 to 4 1/2 feet tall were found buried in tiny wooden coffins near Coshocton, Ohio. There were no artifacts found, but the number of graves led one observer to note that they "must have been tennents of a considerable city."
Seven skeletons were found in a burial mound near Clearwater Minnesota, in 1888. They had double rows of teeth in the upper and lower jaws and had been buried in a sitting position, facing the lake. The foreheads were unusually low and sloping, with prominent brows.
In 1911, miners began digging guano from a cave 22 miles southwest of Lovelock, Nevada. Soon, a mummy was found, a 6 1/2 foot tall person with "distinctly red" hair. According to the ancient legends of the local Paiute Indians, a tribe of red-haired giants, the Si-te-cahs, were once the mortal enemy of the indians in the area, who had joined forces to drive the redheads out. Measuring the femurs of some of the skeletons recovered, researches decided that they belonged to people between 6 and 10 feet tall. Others, however, have stated that the tallest is no more than 5'11, which is still considerable height for the time and place, but hardly a giant. Also, they point out, taking a black-haired mummy from a dark cave often causes the hair to turn red. It is unclear if this happened in Lovelock or not.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:43pm
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Everywhere that I look, I see such depictions. Giants literally ruled the earth...
In almost all of these ancient frescos, the rulers are almost always larger than those who serve/worship them.
Giants can be found in every mythology and in every religion among men. What I have shared here are just a few references to them.
After the flood many races of giants appeared on the land once again. Here is a list of a few.
Rephaim - from the root rapha = spirits, shades Gen. 14:5
Anakim - race of giants Num. 13:33 descendents of Nephilim Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Gen. 14:5
Zuzim- the evil ones, roaming things Gen. 14:5 Zamzummims - the evil plotters, Deut. 2:20 Zophim - watchers, angels who descended Num. 23
Sepherim - the many.
According to Micah 3 God used the Nephilim giants to punish Israel. They are hidden now but they will soon return during the Tribulation to lead the nations against Israel. This will be the taller ones.
According to the Cocopa Indian tribe, giants of the past were able to carry logs that six of the humans failed to budge. Humans can roughly carry twice their body. The average human weighs 150 pounds (carrying weight of 300 lbs in group) times six humans, you now have the ability to carry 1,800 pounds. Now let us take into account that these six humans could not move the logs, and then they would have weighed well over 1,800 lbs. These giants were carrying 1,800 pound logs with ease. Super human strength is often attributed to the Nephilim.
So has there been any hard evidence that the Bible is correct concerning Nephilim giants? Here are a few example of physical evidence found. -In Montana in 1903, Montana, Professor S. Farr unearthed the skeleton of a man about nine feet long. Next to him laid the bones of a woman, who had been almost as tall. Long-haired giants called the Karankawas who occupied territory around Matagorda Bay on the Texas gulf coast, engraved their bodies tattoos and ate human flesh. The tribe did well until Stephen Austin built a settlement on the Brazos in 1823. Conflicts between the settlers and the Indians then became frequent. John R. Swanton stated, "finally a battle was fought in which about half the tribe were slain, the other portion fleeing for refuge to La Bahia." Following information is found at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Lagoon/1345/giants.html
-George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana. -A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr everhart near Zanesville, Ohio.(American Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61)
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:43pm
-Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883) -A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West Virginia, in 1884.
-A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault.
-In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8 inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley.
-In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall.
-In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada.
-In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long -In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky.
-End of quotations- There have been many discoveries but the public is only allowed to see about 3% of all the finds. In the 1880's human skulls with horns were discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania. The horns extended two inches just above the eyebrows. The skeletons were seven feet tall and it was estimated they were buried around AD 1200. When some of the bones were sent to the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia, they disappeared!
- A large skull was recovered in Lovelock cave In 1911 miners digging for guano from a cave which was 22 miles southwest of Lovelock, Nevada. A 6 1/2 foot tall mummy was found "distinctly red" hair. Ancient legends of the local Paiute Indians tell of a tribe of red-haired giants called the Si-te-cahs, who were once the mortal enemy of the Indians in the area. Soon the Indians joined forces to drive the redheads out. The giants were between 6 to 10 feet tall. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. One amazing thing to note is that the Paiute Indians formed unheard of alliances with the other tribes in order drive the giants out. That is how much of a threat the giants were to their existence! Alien Nation
The purest bloodline of Satan is the Illuminati. They are the ones that control the world through witchcraft and use their front group the Masonsto control every aspect of your life. They control what you see, hear, and even the way you think. Their worship of Lucifer is nothing more than pure Satanism in its purest form. Over the years they have through manipulation of the masses lowered are moral values down to hell. Sex is rampant in all the media. The Churches are now holding hands with the homosexuals as they indoctrinate our children to their perversion through TV, movies, comics, games, fashion, and now the schools. What is a real sign of the time is that parents do not even see it as a problem! Parents that do speak out against it are seen as gay bashers. If you believe that it is all nonsense that the world is controlled by the Illuminated Masons, then go to your local library or the Internet, and look up occult symbols. It will not take long before you start seeing them all over and mostly in corporations and government symbols. If you still have any doubts about who runs America, look at the back of an American one-dollar bill and see the Masonic symbol of a pyramid with the all seeing eye of Horus on it. If the Masons are just a non-powerful charity group, then how in the world did they get their symbol on the nation's currency?
As I have said the Masons are just a front group for the Illuminati, which in turn are a front, group for Satanism. According to Tim Cohen author of the book Antichrist and a Cup of Tea, Prince Charles is the leader of the Illuminati. People laugh at him and think that he is a buffoon, but he is one of the most powerful men on earth. I strongly recommend this book to everyone. Interviews discussing Prince Charles with Tim Cohen can be found at: http://prophecyhouse.com/audio/ These interviews are not only eye opening, but they show us the public how little we know about the man.
Irenaeus an early church father had stated that the not only could the antichrist be Jewish but could also be a Nephilim. For me this makes perfect sense. The end time empire will be a coming together of the spiritual and military force. This empire is called Babylon the Great in the book of Revelation. It's interesting to note that the founder of Babylon was Nimrod. About Nimrod Gen 10:8-9 says, "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD." The word "mighty" is the gibowr, the same word used for the Nephilim. Interesting to note too that Esau was born with red fur all over his body and he too was a skilled hunter. Many feel that Nimrod was a righteous man because where it says he was a mighty hunter before the Lord. This simply means that the Lord knew Nimrod. It also says in scripture that he "began" to be a mighty hunter before the Lord. The word began means: to profane, to defile, to pollute, to desecrate, to begin… to profane oneself, to defile oneself, to pollute oneself… to violate (a covenant)…(Pual) to profane (name of God) -Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition. In other words this was one evil beast.
"We weren't always like this… after the moon fell from the sky, the earth could no longer sustain a species. Some managed to stay above, the rest of us escaped underground. Then centur
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:44pm
Giants found have come with double rows of teeth, red hair, horns, six toes, and six fingers. So what happed to all these giants? I believe that because there were too many conflicts with humans, the giants then migrated into the caves and caverns of the earth. The rest were modified and have lived with humans for centuries. They were self-bred to be shorter and to lose all the telltale physical signs such as double rows of teeth and such. The bottom line is that they are the ones that live among us. They are the New World Order. "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." Dan 2:43
We can clearly see here that the Nephilim are the ones among us that are the iron. We are the clay because God created us from the minerals of the earth. The iron comes from the tyrants. They are the star children of the stargod angels. The Nephilim are without any compassion for humans and have only a distain for them. They are the great leaders of war and bloodshed. They are the ones that exploit mankind through a hidden secret government of iron. The Nephilim make sure that we are the slaves that are kept in poverty, disease, ignorance. In the Bible they are called the Tares, Beasts, and the Iron as outlined earlier. One of the greatest world empires they produced was Rome. The Fallen Angels brought culture and new age concepts while the Nephilim brought military supremacy to the world. The Nazi party was a proto type of their new end time world empire, which is rising from the ashes as we speak. The purpose of the Nephilim is to destroy all God's children. Gen 3:15 states, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The word emity means hatred.
The Nephilim have an intense hatred for humans. All through the Old Testament the Nephilim tribes were at war with Israel and Israel was instructed to exterminate every Nephilim man, woman, and child. Some of the names of Nephilim in the Old Testament are, Rephaim, Anakim, Emim, Zuzim, Zamzummims, and Zophim. In the Old Testament there are twenty Nephilim tribes listed and all of them were at war with Israel. All the Nephilim died at the time of the flood with only Noah and his family surviving. So why is it that Noah and his immediate family were the only ones immune from this great judgment is significant. Genesis 6:9 says that, "Noah was a just man." Like Enoch before him, Noah also "walked with God." But there was another reason why Noah was spared. Genesis 6:9 says that Noah was "perfect in his generation." Does this mean moral and spiritual perfection? No. The Hebrew word for perfect is "tamiym" and comes from the root word "taman." It means "without blemish" as seen in Exodus 12:5, 29:1, and Leviticus 1:3. Just like Christ the sacrificial lamb had to be without any physical blemish, so Noah's perfection had to be mantained. In its primary meaning, it refers not to any moral or spiritual quality, but to physical purity. Noah was not a Nephilim. It is my belief that when the rain fell, Noah and his family were the only humans left alive that had not been cannibalized by the Nephilim. At this point I suspect that though Noah was without any physical blemish, he still possessed the satanic DNA from the Garden of Eden.
That DNA represents the fall of mankind. It is what contaminated Eve and now a limited lifespan was introduced. Not only did Eve die spiritually, she also died physically. Now how is it that Adam gained the same fallen DNA. As pointed out earlier, I feel that Adam fell prey to Lucifer's appetite too. Also as already pointed out, this DNA will only pop up here and there. In other words, there is no guarantee that a man and a wife with black hair and brown eyes will have a child with the same. They may have a few kids the same, then the next one comes with blonde hair and blue eyes. We all carry the corrupted seed from the Garden of Eden. Some of us just have traces and some have a full-blown expression. Take non-pure bred Pit Bull dogs. It's very hard to decide which or how many of the puppies will have the traits and attitudes of a Pit Bull. Some will just have a few traits not making them Pit Bulls, while others will be almost a full Pit Bull.
The purist satanic bloodline known today is called the top thirteen bloodlines of the Illuminati. These Satanists are all kissin cousins that only marry within the family, and not with the rest of us low life cattle. So what we have today are so called humans that are a mixture of the seed of Satan and the Nephilim. Is it any wonder why the world is so evil beyond anyone's imagination?
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:44pm
As mentioned, in 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada. These were the Si-Te-Cah giants that were always at war with the Paiute Indians. They would dig up the Indians dead and eat them as well as using the tribes as a food source. Now that we know that some were only six feet tall, what if you could go back in time and take one of the six foot Nephilim and dress him in a suit and tie. Now if you took him and dropped him off in a city in the year 2002, would he be noticed in a crowd? Not at all! Now what if you educated him and gave him a good job, don't you think that he would fit our society with relative ease? You bet! Now what if he became a politician or even a pastor of a Church. If you at this point have goose bumps, then at this point you are beginning to understand my point.
In the movie Alien Nation, the aliens came down and lived with mankind and were assimilated into society. They became doctors, criminals, police and such. They were all bald with coloured stripes on their heads, other than that, they were very human looking. This is a real common theme.
As I have said the Nephilim are here and are determined to destroy all mankind. They have taken leadership positions over us and are keeping us in a social cage of slavery. They have imposed on us a system of an illegal taxation that people pay without a thought. Why is because most people will not believe that these men are that evil, but who says they are men? They are the true aliens that live among us. Centuries ago they must have mingled with the seed of men in order to destroy us from within. They are the iron of the New World Order. Because of the enmity between them and us, they will not cling to us. They would rather destroy us than to rule over us. This will make the New World Order both strong and weak. "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another, just as iron is not mixed with clay." Dan 2:43
They are so mingled with mankind that is it almost impossible to tell them apart from humans. Noticed how I said almost. For many years I have worked out a personality of these beasts. They are always totally self-absorbed and have no compassion for others. They are very nice as long as they know that they can manipulate you. When you stand against them, then the real them emerges. They have hair trigger tempers and feel that their opinions are the only valid opinions. They feel all other opinions are silly. If they express an opinion that you take issue with, then they see you as a fool and get very angry. They have no shame or remorse and can make our lives a living hell. Their moods are up and down al the time. One minute they are giggling, then the next minute they going off like a bomb. They are smooth and very manipulative. Arguing with them is pointless, as they have no empathy for you or anyone else around them.
Another attitude that they all have is a deep hatred for God. If you mention God, then you had better duck. They also may gravitate to religious cults and false religions. All they seem to talk about is money and how much everyone else has. They care nothing about your feelings and only tolerate you. These beasts can be your doctor, spouse, landlord, boss, social worker etc. By nature they will all make your life very stressful! They also can lead you into apostasy through Bible study and Church leadership. They are here to destroy you! By nature they only want what their father wants, and that is to kill, steal, and destroy. Most of the time they are not aware of what they truly are. They are just pawns in a bigger game. As stated, they can be born from humans because genetic is not predictable.
The red haired remains of the Si-te-Cah were often found with giant women with babies. Well this would be a major advantage in intermingling with early human tribes. In other words, if you can't beat them (the humans), join them. In all positions of power the Nephilim have taken over. Many people can not believe that that the government was behind Waco, the Oklahoma bombing, or most recently the 9-11 bombing. Why is because people have this deep feeling that human beings can not do that kind of violence and evil to other human beings. But the Nephilim can. These Tares can watch ten thousand children die at their feet and they couldn't care less. Human life means nothing to these beasts! They have no conscience and are the centre of their universe. Satan has had four thousand years since the flood to organize his evil and infiltrate our society. Christianity has only been on the earth for 2000 years. When our Lord walked the earth, mankind was already enslaved by the Roman Empire. Today the Beasts among us control every aspect of our reality, and do not dare to think that the churches are some how immune to all this.
From an unpublished book
Website at: http://stargods.org
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:46pm
The normal height of the Bulloo, as suggested by the sizes and weights of their stone implements and fossil footprints, was around 3-4 m, and further west of Bathurst they were also known as the Bullai and Bahloo. Myth could also make them of truly gigantuan height and proportions, as in the case of the Wallu-Barl [another variation of Bulloo] giants of the Darling River country, who were "taller than the tallest trees".
They ate everything and anything, including the Bakandji tribespeople who lived along the river. Groups of Wallu-Barl also fought each other, with mighty stone and wooden weapons, hurling massive stone boulders about the land. They strode about the countryside, driving out the Aborigines wherever they settled. But there came a time when the river and all the water holes dried up and the land became parched.
Many Wallu-Barl died of thirst, except for the smarter Aboriginal people for they knew how to find water beneath the ground. The surviving Wallu-Barl were attacked and killed with spears by the Bakandji warriors.
GIANTS FROM THE DREAMTIME
The YOWIE in Myth and Reality
By Rex Gilroy
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Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:47pm
When the Giants Roamed the Americas
By: G. Sterling
What if I told you that a tomb was recently opened that had skeletons of a man and woman eight feet tall. And what if I told you they had red and blond hair? And the artifacts found included inscribed metal plates in an unknown language? Would you think me mad?
Then mad I am, for this is exactly what is going on here in the Southwest. And to make this matter even more interesting, I can assure you that there are multiple sites where these extra large humans have been discovered. As I write this, teams are exploring the area around these sites for additional information, and attempts to collect DNA samples are being made. There is no formal historical recognition of these Giants, but they have left their mark in legends, lore, and even the Bible.
Of course we have all heard about David and Goliath, and probably just brushed aside the contradictions that biblical story actually creates. Was Goliath a "one of a kind" or was there a whole race from which he came? Where did he come from? How would a person grow to such proportions on the terrible nutritional diets of the time? Why had he chosen to alley himself with humans of normal stature? And what is to be made of the elusive term found in the bible "in that day there were giants on the land"? It is safe to conjecture the Bible is relating a matter of fact, not analogy in its' references to "Giants". So we have one accepted ancient source that refers to "Giants". Maybe Giants were a reality back then, but we need more confirmation. Let's look at just a few of the numerous other reports of "Giants" in the Americas:
On his historic round the world trip, Captain Magellan made an interesting reference in his ship's logbook. He mentioned a race of giants living on the Pacific coast of South America. But even a stranger event happened in this area. Captain Cooke wrote of actually capturing one of the giants and tying it to his ship's mast. This human was reported to be over nine feet tall. The giant freed himself from the ropes, and was last seen when he dived overboard.
In 1911, in a guano mine northeast of Reno, Nevada, several large mummified remains of red-haired humans approximately 8 feet tall were discovered. This site was known and the Lovelock Cave, and some of the artifacts can still be seen at the Humbolt County Museum.
A skeleton of of a large human was dug out of a mound in Ashland County, Ohio. The year was 1879, and the person who did the excavation was a medical doctor from Brewersville. He determined that the skeleton was of an individual that was 9 feet, 8 inches tall.
Then there is the unusual report of a woman who worked for the New Mexico Parks Department. A flash flood exposed the skeletal remains of a number of "Giants". They were about 8' tall, and had six fingers and toes. They also had an unusual double row of teeth. The entire site was "cleaned" under the supervision of the Smithsonian and FBI, and nothing has been seen or heard about the discovery since.
And there are many, many other reports that are usually quietly placed in a forgotten corner of some institution's collections. Isn't it interesting that there is absolutely no one in "academia" that is willing or able to offer a theory or an explanation for the "giants of old". But they do exist. And the proof is absolute. And they are a part of our history that has been intentionally swept under the carpet by the supposed "learned men" of our institutions. http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/Greg/ez3.html
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:47pm
http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Summer/Giants/
Save perhaps the account of the giants being destroyed by the Flood, the oldest account of giants living in the Americas can be found in the traditions of the Chippewa (Minnesota), Sandusky and Tawa tribes (both of Ohio). These traditions tell of a race of black-bearded giants that had first conquered and ruled North America, but had been conquered themselves by another race of red-bearded giants:
In this connection I would say that Mr. Jonathan Brooks, now living in town, stated to me, that his father, Benjamin Brooks, who lived with the Indians fourteen years, and was well-acquainted with their language and traditions, told him and others that it was a tradition of the Indians that the first tribe occupying this whole country, was a black-bearded race, very large in size, and subsequently a red bearded race or tribe came and killed or drove off all the black beards, as they called them.
— The Firelands Pioneer (1858)
Patrick Cooke, "A Giant Cover-up: The Smithsonian Giants" (The Bible UFO Connection: http://www.bibleufo.com).
6 Venice Florida dot com, "Sharks' Teeth General Info" (Venice Florida! dot com: http://www.veniceflorida.com).
7 Mary Sutherland, "Was There a Race of People that Had Horns?" (BUFO Radio: http://www.burlingtonnews.net).
8 Steve Quayle, "Accounts of Giants in North America: Ohio Giants" (The Q Files: http://www.stevequayle.com).
9 Richard L. Dieterle, "Giants or Man Eaters (Wâ´gerútcge)" (The Encyclopedia of Hotcâk (Winnebago) Mythology: http://hotcakencyclopedia.com).
10 The Thunderbirds were primarily benificent spirits, but apparently some of them had turned bad. For more information on the native American Thunderbird myth, see our popular article, "The Fabulous Thunderbird".
11 Dieterle, "Giants or Man Eaters (Wâ´gerútcge).
12 Claessen, D., A de Roos and L. Persson, "Giant cannibals emerge from size-structured population dynamics [Abstract]" (Allen Press Abstracts: http://abstracts.allenpress.com).
13 George Noory and Steve Quayle, "Dead Scientists" (Coast to Coast A.M.: http://www.coasttocoastam.com, Broadcast Date: 11/27/2003).
14 Edwin Black, "Hitler made eugenics famous, but he took it from United States" (JTA: Global News Service of the Jewish People: http://www.jta.org).
15 Black, "Hitler made eugenics famous, but he took it from United States".
16 C.A.N.D.L.E.S. Web Museum, "Mengele" (C.A.N.D.L.E.S. Web Museum: http://www.candles-museum.com).
17 NationMaster.com, "Aryan" (NationMaster.com: http://www.nationmaster.com).
18 Sarah Boxer, "Move afoot to detoxify ancient, once-benign swastika symbol" (Seattle Post-Intelligencer: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com).
19 NationMaster.com, "Aryan Race" (NationMaster.com: http://www.nationmaster.com).
20 University of Calgary, "Kurgan Culture" (University of Calgary: http://www.ucalgary.ca).
21 Koenraad Elst, "Where Did the Kurgans Come From?" in Update on the Aryan Invasion Update (South Asia Books: 1999).
22 Free Papers, "The Aboriginal People of Newfoundland" (Free Papers: http://www.freepapers.net).
23 Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Genes, Peoples, and Languages (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2000), 135, 158, 169.
24 David Larkin and Julek Heller, Giants (New York: Harry N. Abrams, 1985), 40-41. The Indian tribe referred to here is likely the Pawnee.
25 Greg Little, John Van Auken and Lora Little, Mound Builders: Edgar Cayce's Forgotten Record of Ancient America (New York: Harry N. Abrams, 1985), 60.
26 Hamilton, "Holocaust of Giants".
27 University of Calgary, "The Legend of Gog and Magog" (University of Calgary: http://www.ucalgary.ca).
28 Academy for Ancient Texts, "The Book of Enoch: Book 1: Watchers" (Academy for Ancient Texts: http://www.ancienttexts.org).
29 Dieterle, "Giants or Man Eaters (Wâ´gerútcge)". Interestingly, there is a legend of the Thunderbird where the home of the Thunderbirds lies beyond two great, magical mountain peaks that open and close together like a gate, similar to that described in the Alexandrian myth of Gog and Magog. Could the Thunderbird myth have been a remnant of the ancient Indo-European beliefs that remained as a fragment of Native American tradition?
30 Dieterle, "Giants or Man Eaters (Wâ´gerútcge)".
31 Robert Silverberg, The Mound Builders (Athens, OH: Ohio University Press, 1968), 194-195.
32 Ross Hamilton, "A Tradition of Giants" (Serpent Mound Mysteries: http://greatserpentmound.org).
33 Steve Quayle, "A Tradition of Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 2" (The Q Files: http://www.stevequayle.com).
34 Quayle, "A Tradition of Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 2".
35 Quayle, "A Tradition of Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 2".
36 Steve McNatten, "Who Were the Si-Te-Cah?" (Runestone.org: http://www.runestone.org).
37 Mary Sutherland, "Giants of Ohio and the Mound Builders" (BUFO Radio: http://www.burlingtonnews.net).
38 Steve Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants (Bozeman, MT: End Time Thunder Publishers, 2002), 197.
39 Glenn Welker, "The Aztecs/Mexicas" (Indians.org: http://www.indians.org/).
40 USCD, "Quetzalcoatl the Myth" (University of California, San Diego: http://weber.ucsd.edu/).
41 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 205-206.
42 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 272-273.
43 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 200-201.
44 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 284.
45 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 284-285.
46 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 285.
47 Adrian Warren, "WAORANI The Saga of Ecuador's Secret People: A Historical Perspective", page 2 (The Last Refuge: http://www.lastrefuge.co.uk).
48 Warren, "WAORANI The Saga of Ecuador's Secret People", page 5.
49 Warren, "WAORANI The Saga of Ecuador's Secret People", page 7.
50 Warren, "WAORANI The Saga of Ecuador's Secret People", page 7.
51 MSU EMuseum, "Inca" (Minnesota State University EMuseum: http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/).
52 Steve Quayle, "Giants of the Royal Incas" (The Q Files: http://www.stevequayle.com).
53 Mary Sutherland, "Red Headed Mummies PERU" (BUFO Radio: http://www.burlingtonnews.net).
54 Quayle, Genesis 6 Giants, 291-292.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:48pm
Serpent Mound Mysteries: "Holocaust of Giants"
The Bible UFO Connection: "Giants Were among Us"
The Smithsonian: "The History of the Smithsonian"
David Hatcher Childress: "Archaeological Coverups?"
Forgotten Ages Research Society: "Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth"
The Dub Room: Notes on the Demi-Gods of Genesis 6
BUFO Radio: "Giants: Ancient Super Race of Man"
Georgetown University: Central Asia Images
University of Calgary: The Kurgans
The Languages of Russia: The Kurgan Oblast
GreatestCities.com: Kurgan, Russia
Center for the Study of Eurasian Nomads
The Garden of Danu: The Great Deluge
The Garden of Danu: The Mammoth Hunters
The Garden of Danu: The Kurgan Invasions
The Garden of Danu: Kurgan Use of the Horse
The Golden Grave from Arzhan
Stalingrad
Battle of Stalingrad Tours
The Kurgan Barrows (Russian)
AltaVista's Babelfish Translation Service
Kurgan Invasion Map
Red Ochre burials in Romania
The "Amazon Princess of Ipatovo": A Spectaclar Mound Burial in the Caucasus
The Kurgan Debate online
A Look at Modern Human Origins: Cro-Magnon
Bone Clones: Cro-Magnon Skull
Serpent Mound Mysteries: "A Tradition of Giants"
The Encyclopedia of Hotcâk (Winnebago) Mythology: "Giants or Man Eaters (Wâ´gerútcge)"
Steve Quayle: "Hidden Proofs of a Giant Race"
Steve Quayle: "Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 1"
Steve Quayle: "Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 2"
Steve Quayle: "Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 3"
Steve Quayle: "Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 4"
Steve Quayle: "Giants and Ancient North American Warfare, Part 5"
BUFO Radio: "Giants of Ohio and the Mound Builders"
Norka of Akron: Ohio Valley Bones: Reality? or Imagination?
Xpeditions Magazine: "When the Giants Roamed the Americas"
The Bible UFO Connection: "History of North American Giants Part 1"
The Spalding Research Project: "The GIANTS of Conneaut"
The Spalding Research Project: "History of Ashtabula County"
Ancient American: "Ancestors of Our First Americans" (PDF)
Ancient American: "'Gigantic' Newcomers to the Prehistoric St. Lawrence River Valley" (PDF)
Ancient American: "Historical Collections of Ohio, 1852" (PDF)
BUFO Paranormal: "Giants of North America, Giants of New York"
Giant Skeletons
Ohio History Travelogues: Hopewell Culture National Historical Park
NI.BI.RU: "Ancient Giants of the Americas"
Runestone.org: "Who Were the Si-Te-Cah?"
Shift Journal: Hopi Prophecies
North American Indian Thunder Gods Myths
BUFO Radio: "Giants of Mexico"
The Maya: Lords of the Earth
The Last Refuge: "WAORANI" The Saga of Ecuador's Secret People"
S8aint.com: "OOPArts & Ancient High Technology"
Steve Quayle: "Giant Skulls from Peru"
Ancient American: "Incan Giants"
Steve Quayle: "Giants of the Royal Incas"
Ancient Giant Skulls of Rulers
BUFO Radio: "Red Headed Mummies: PERU"
The Museum of Unnatural Mystery: The Lines of Peru
Minnesota State University: Inca
Steve Quayle: Giants of the Royal Incas
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:48pm
By Dave Cain
For MARION PRIDE
http://www.theaaca.com/membersbios/bio_cain4.htm
On the earth there once were giants." Greek poet Homer wrote in 400 B.C.
Of the many archaeological mysteries, one of the most enigmatic has been discoveries of giant prehistoric human skeletons.
Marion County was home to part of the ancient civilization which historical accounts and artifacts indicate existed in this region - a culture with many clues and questions concerning its existence. What mysterious people constructed earthen forts, burial mounds, macadamized roadways? Who left pictographs, inscribed stones and giant skeletons lo be discovered?
In the 1850s while excavating a root cellar in Palatine (East Fairmont), workers uncovered two very large human skeletons. Measuring the bones, people were amazed to find the entombed humans had been more than 7 feet tall.
Many curious onlookers observed the skeletons which mysteriously disappeared overnight, apparently stolen for greedy purpose. A lucrative market in "Indian relics" existed in the early I9th century. Artifacts from all over Marion County were sold to travelers and purchasing agents representing Eastern museums.
It was reported that hundreds of ancient pieces of pottery, flint weapons, stone carvings and skeletons were peddled at the Valley Falls railroad station. Some of the finest specimens were purchased by visiting German royalty and taken to Europe as curios.
In 1875 workmen were constructing a bridge near the mouth of Paw Paw Creek at Rivesville. While digging through heavy clay soil they were astonished to uncover three giant skeletons strands of reddish hair clinging to the skulls. A local doctor was called to examine the remains.
Exposure to air deteriorated the bones rapidly to but the doctor was able ascertain after careful measurement, the skeletons had supported people approximately 8 feet tall.
In September 1882 amateur archaeologist F.M. Fetty and his wife were exploring along White Day Creek. As Mr. Fetty crawled back into the recesses of an over-hanging cliff shelter he noticed an unusual pattern in the rock formation.
Upon close examination a false wall was discovered in the back of the shallow cave. Removing several large stones the Fettys were startled by what they found. The remains of a giant human in a sitting position with artifacts of stone and flint surrounding the prehistoric cadaver.
In the summer of 1883 James A. Faulkner unearthed an unusually large human skeleton in the same area. Dr. Samuel Kramer of Smithtown measured this skeleton and found it to be 7 feet 4 inches long. Dr. Kramer deduced the living person must have been almost 8 feet tall.
There have been historical references to a mystic race of giant red-haired humans inhabiting this continent in the distant past. Respected Biblical scholars think a lost tribe from Israel once lived in North America. Evidence exists of 5th-century Irish monks exploring West Virginia. Many questions remain to be answered.
Everyone loves a mystery and these giant skeletons reported by reputable people would make Sherlock Holmes scratch his head. This is another intriguing story of Marion County's past that will forever be unexplained.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:49pm
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article81.html
Giant skeletons... skulls with horns, way too many teeth and pointy heads... What are we to make of these amazingly unusual specimens?
Whether you believe humans are the descendents of Adam and Eve, the result of millions of years of evolution or the genetic creations of the Annunaki, there are many puzzling specimens of skeletons, skulls and other human (or human-like) remains that have been unearthed over the years... and that can truly make one wonder about mankind's past.
Here's a bare-bones look at some of the more intriguing cases:
Horny Devils
Within an ancient burial mound near the town of Sayre in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, skeletons measuring approximately 7 feet in length were discovered in the 1800s. But the most remarkable feature of these tall skeletons was not their height, but the strange horn-like protrusions above the brow region on their skulls. It was estimated that they were buried around 1200 AD. According to some sources, the skeletons were sent to the "American Investigating Museum" in Philadelphia, and vanished.
All the Better to Eat You With, My Dear In 1888, seven skeletons, which had been placed in a sitting position, were uncovered from a burial mound near Clearwater, Minnesota. The highly unusual skulls of these beings had double rows of teeth in both the upper and lower jaws. It was also noted that the foreheads were low and sloping, compared to "normal" human skulls, and had distinctly prominent brows.
Coneheads
Researcher Robert Connolly photographed this strange elongated skull in 1995. It was found in South America and is estimated to be tens of thousands of years old. Apart from its obvious abnormalities, it also exhibits characteristics of both Neanderthal and human skulls - impossible in itself, according to anthropology texts, since Neanderthals did not exist in South America. Some believe that the unusual shape of the skulls might be the result of a primitive practice known as "skull binding" in which a person's head is tightly bound with cloth or leather straps throughout his lifetime, causing the skull to grow in this dramatic way. The skull-binding theory is contested, however, for this and other cone-shaped skulls, and you can read about them in more detail at Anomalous Skulls.
Small Wonders
Near Coshocton, Ohio in 1837, several fully developed adult skeletons were found buried in tiny wooden coffins. Why tiny coffins? Because these adult skeletons were only 3 to 4-1/2 feet tall. No artifacts were found with the remains that might give clues as to who these small people were.
Red Giants
In 1911, miners were digging out layers of guano from a cave located about 22 miles southwest of Lovelock, Nevada when they happened upon the mummified remains of an individual who must have stood 6-1/2 feet tall when alive. A tall Native American, perhaps? Probably not, since the mummy was still crowned with "distinctly red" hair. Amazingly, the ancient legends of the local Paiute Indians described a race of red-haired giants - called Si-te-cahs - who were the enemies of many Indian tribes of the region.
The Starchild Skull
Lloyd Pye, author of Everything You Know Is Wrong, has taken it upon himself to discover the identity of an unusual skull he has dubbed "The Starchild Skull." The skull, which was found in a mine shaft near Chihuahua, Mexico around 1930, is unusually wide at the back and exhibits larger than normal eye sockets. Although he says the origin of the skull is uncertain, Pye speculates on whether or not it could be of alien origin - or at least belonging to a human-alien hybrid. While some contend that the skull was merely that of a deformed human child, Pye wanted definitive proof and so, in late 1999, subjected the skull to DNA testing. The results of the test indicated that the skull was from a human being, but Pye points out that the lab could not extract sufficient strands of DNA to make a definitive conclusion, and therefore the question still remains open.
Fatheads
Robert Connolly has photographed a similar, more complete skull. In most respects it appears to be that of a human, except that it has an extraordinarily large cranium and eye sockets. The eye sockets are about 15 percent larger than a modern human's. The age and date of the skull are unknown. Similar skulls appear in photos by Karen Scheidt of remains found in a Mexican cave. Could they all be genetic mutations, some unknown species of creature or something not of this world?
You can locate the pictures that accompany this story at http://paranormal.about.com/od/mysteriousremains/a/aa060605.htm
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:49pm
http://www.sardegna.com/code/archeologia/id/12/LINGUA/EN
Description.
The Nuraghic architecture shows megalithic caves with quite peculiar shapes, from the dolmen to the giants’ cave. The connection between the Nuraghic villages and the giants’ caves is clear, with the exception of some domus de janas.
At the moment the known giants’ caves are 321:
• 91 in the area of Cagliari
• 187 in the area of Nuoro
• 43 in the area of Sassari
The Giants’ cave are megalithic and collective burials. Among the most important there’s the one located in Garonna-Paulilatino, close to the Nuraghic settlement. It’s the longest one, with its 23, 77 m. The burial shows the typical shape with a rectangular apse in the back and a circular exedra, the corridor’s entrance with enough room for almost two hundreds corpses. It’s a sort of huge village’s burial . Basaltic memorial stones, symbols of the god protector of dead, were posed in front of the hemicycle.
Some excavations discovered jars’ fragments containing the offering to the dead person: the so called dead’s “lunch” or “dinner”.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:50pm
https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/citd/holtorf/8.7.html
giants
Numerous tales describe megaliths and single large erratics as stones which giants had thrown or lost, while megaliths in particular are also described as their graves, or houses, or ovens (e.g. Temme 1840: 213; Bartsch 1879: 26–39; Haas 1925: 53–60). The association of giants with megaliths goes back to at least the 13th century, when the oldest references to 'tumuli gigantis' are found in written documents. Interestingly, such stories replaced almost completely for several centuries the references to ancient mounds as graves of earlier people (e.g. 'antiquorum sepulcra', 'tumuli paganorum') which were more frequent in the earlier sources (Lisch 1937: 11–15; Sippel 1980; Thäte 1993: chapter 5.1). Today in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, megaliths are still generally known as Hünengräber (giants' graves), for example in Forst Everstorf (Lisch 1837: 72).
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:50pm
One story about the truly gigantic "Riesengrab" goes like this:
A long, long time ago there lived in this area a giant and his wife. The giant caused his neighbours a lot of trouble by taking away their animals and trampling on their crops and so on. This annoyed the people and they decided to take their revenge out on him and bury the giant alive. They set up look-out posts, who, as soon as they found the giant asleep, would come and tell the neighbours. They found him... and the people arrived carrying pick-axes, spades and shovels. After they had dug a hole in the earth next to the sleeping giant, they rolled him into it and covered him with soil. The next morning the giant's wife went looking for him. Finally she found out that her husband had been buried and where the grave was located. She went and filled her apron with stones, and poured these around the grave. The wife mourned and the people rejoiced. Both would not last long, however, because the same day the giant, for whom the grave had simply been a nice warm bed, got up again and continued his normal life, and now he was even worse than before. The people realised that they had to get rid of the giant if they ever wanted to live in peace and quiet. Once again they found the giant asleep in the same spot. Immediately they set out to bury him alive again. This time they made a deep hole for him, so that the giant would have more earth on top of him and would not get out so easily. When the grave was ready, they took some of the stones which the giant's wife had carried to the site, and rolled them onto his head. These stones were too heavy for him, and he has had to lie there forever. Since that time no more giants have been seen here. The giant's wife, too, left the area shortly afterwards. (translated by Ymke Mulder)
fairies
Often, fairies are said to live inside the mounds and guard the treasure. These fairies are frequently called 'dwarfs' (Haas 1925: 60–66) or simply 'Unterirdische' (subterraneans) (Bartsch 1879: 41–52). As Haas noted, dwarfs are usually associated with burials from the Bronze and Iron Ages, which have nevertheless often been referred to as Hünengräber, while Neolithic burials in megaliths are the realm of the giants. This reflects a folk belief that the land was first inhabited by giants, followed by dwarfs, followed by human beings (Haas 1925: 51, 60).
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Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:50pm
http://www.ancientamerican.com/issue41.htm
The Great Basin is an area of inland drainage located in western United States. On its northern edge is a wondrous region known as the Owyhee country. Everywhere is evidence of early human struggles for existence.
Conventional theories positing wandering peoples out of Siberia dates these struggles to the last 12,000 years. Surface evidence clearly indicates the presence of huntergatherers to ten or more millennia ago. But something more materially significant may have prospered in Owyhee Country even earlier.
While Establishment scholars refuse to consider any possibilities for existence of so any a society on our continent, some Native Americans preserve oral traditions which speak of a time, very long ago, when their ancestors came into conflict with "giants" that roamed the region, interfered with.activities.
These tribal accounts show some resemblance to biblical stories of a pre-flood world likewise inhabited by giants. For example, Genesis tells of the Nephilim, supposedly of great size and strength. The Judaic tradition affirms that these giants sprang from the union of fallen angels with the daughters of Cain.
They were heavenly "watchers" heaven assigned to pray for mankind, but were instead seduced to father a race of giants. These were fallen angels, sons of God, the Wnai Elohim (Job 38.7). Stories and legends of giants are not confined to the Old Testament or Native American traditions, however. Although varied from region to region, their fundamental similarities present a haunting commonality.
The giants were generally portrayed with an insatiable thirst for blood, and, because of this savage lust, were violently swept away by a great deluge. Most of them perished, but a few survivors supposedly made their way to various parts of the world.
Scientists dealing with hard data naturally dismiss such stories as mere fables. They explain widespread belief in giants found among cultures around the planet as the result of a "collective unconscious," or universal fear of overwhelming forces beyond their control.
These same conventional archaeologists likewise deny the occurrence of any natural catastrophe, such as a deluge, powerful enough to obliterate a previous worldorder. [sic] Geologists, however, continue to uncover more evidence establishing that truly cataclysmic flooding did indeed take place with the close of the last Ice Age, about 12,000 years ago, when areas inhabited by early human population centers in Europe and North America were overwhelmed by major pluvial events.
The violence of these catastrophes and the ten or more millennia that separate their time from ours have obscured almost all physical evidence of that pre-dilluvian era. But more imperishable than material artifacts are the tribal memories of peoples who ancestors actually survived. Something of those memories may have survived in the Owyhee Country. There a river, reputed to be one of the deepest on the North American continent, is surrounded by walls so steep that sunlight never penetrates to the banks far below.
The Bruneau River was named after a French fur-trader in the mid-17th Century. Near its headwaters stretches the legendary land of the giants who terrorized Shoshone forefathers, frightening them from their ancestral hunting grounds.
These were found in the Pine Nut Mountains, along the Jarbridge River. Here, the the [sic] huge Tsawhawbitts, evil spirits in superhuman form, ravaged the Indians. Their old stories tell that these giants possessed an appetite for human flesh, and could cross creeks with a single step, or scale mountains in few strides. They chased and captured people, putting hapless victims in huge baskets, which they carried to the mountaintop for cannibal feasts.
Some Tsawhawbitts gazed from a single eye, and hopped around on one leg. They were sometimes observed high on the rocky peaks digging for unknown objects. People learned to stay far from these lofty crests, because the giants, in addition to their prodigious size, were known to exercise supernatural powers. They could paralyze their prey with a glance from their large red glowing eyes, then harthingying their quarry with razor sharp hooks.
The natives so feared such peaks, that present-day natives still refer to central Idaho's Sawtooth Mountains as the Coapiccan Kahni or Giants House. A Shoshone version describes Tso'apittse, a rocky giant with pitchy hands that fed upon human flesh
Tribal elders repeatedly warned their young to be careful around the pools of water at the springs, as these were dangerous areas inhabited by evil-spirited giants. Staring into the water, allowing one's image to be reflected, would conjure the giants to the surface. Was this a mythic recollection of the titans supposedly overwhelmed in antiquity by the Great Flood?
The Shoshone legend adds that the giants could be killed by fire or ice, but using these, weapons too enormous courage and cunning. If a Tso'apittse was found in its deep mountain cave, a large fire was built at the entrance, and allowed to eventually burn inward until the giant was consumed.
Other stories tell of the use of ice. One night, a Tso'apittse kidnapped a little girl and promptly ate her. In its greed, the giant returned for her parents and add to its bag. [sic] The Tso'apittse soon found the father, chased and captured him, then put him in the basket. But on the way back to the mountain peak, the man escaped, and ran ahead to the cave.
A freezing blizzard began outside, while he filled the cave's entrance with trees and branches. When Tso'apittse returned, he tried to free the obstructing materials, but they were lodged in too tightly. During the night, the father could hear the giant whining. By morning, the sounds had ceased. The Tso'apittse was frozen to death.
Tales such as these have been told and retold for unguessed generations in tribal communities. Folkish memories of events surrounding the evil giants lived on through these narratives, which are still considered factual by many Native Americans. Like all myths, they undoubtedly have at least a seed of truth buried deep within the age-old accounts.
In any case, oral tradition eventually materialized into numerous rock petroglyphs throughout the Sawtooth Mountain area. Their interpretation continues to elude academic scholars, who sometimes describe the petroglyphs as the meaningless scratching of bored Indians. Several anthropologists have used terms such as idle scrawls and doodles to characterized native rock art.
But for a preliterate people, such images still resonate with tribal memories of a time in the very deep past, when giants and monsters were purged from the Earth by a Great Flood. These petroglyphs are their only memorials, preserved in the otherwise incomprehensible marks of ancient rock art, and the minds of those who maintain the old ways.
by Thomas E. Farner, Ph.D.
Ancient American
Volume 6, Issue 41, page 9
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:51pm
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/aspen/sussex/wilmington.html
http://www.mythicalireland.com/highman/roads.php
There are some connections with giants and the High Man roads. One story recalled how it was believed the Bleach Green at Collon was possibly the lake on whose shore Cúchulainn rested "on his way to the Boyne" and that the Phoenixtown hill was where he was "so terribly tormented by the witches". Both of these locations are adjacent to the "back leg" road of the High Man.
The largest "rath" in the Collon district was on the Dunmore. "It is situated on the top of a hill and as its name implies it is of considerable size," one resident recalled. Another said that the Dunmore hill contained "the graves of three giants". The Archaeological Survey of Co. Louth records that there is a sizeable archaeological feature on Dunmore consisting of a series of barrows enclosed by an outer bank.
Description
The striking giant of Cerne Abbas is a 180 foot high figure of a man bearing a 121 foot long club, incised into the chalk of the hillside. It has been speculated that the giant may have carried a cloak over his left arm and gripped a severed head in his left hand. If that is so, no evidence of either head or cloak now remains. The giant has been variously identified as Roman and Celtic. His obvious, er, physical endowments have made him the source of fertility practices over the centuries; it is said that if an infertile woman spends the night within the figure, she will then be able to bear a child. The name "Cerne" may be a reference to Cernunnos, a Celtic fertility god. During the 19th century the ditches that make up the giant's thingy were filled in with dirt by prudish Victorians. No hard evidence exists about the giant's origin. Written records do not mention the carving until the mid 18th century, leading to speculation that the figure was not built until sometime around the English Civil War. The similarity of the design of the giant to depictions of Hercules has led to more speculation that the giant was built sometime during the Roman occupation of Britain, probably in the 2nd century AD, when the Roman's resurrected the earlier pagan myth of Hercules. Local legend tells a different story; the tale goes that a real giant from Denmark terrorized the neighbourhood. When he lay down on the hillside to sleep the villagers cut off his head. They then cut the outline as a warning to other giants.
The best views of the giant can be had from the A352, just north of the village of Cerne Abbas. Just up the hill and to the giant's right is a small enclosure called The Trendle, where May Dances were held.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:51pm
Arab Prophets and the
Tombs of Giants
Prof. Brannon M. Wheeler
Associate Professor of Near Eastern Languages and Civilization at the University of Washington,
Senior CAORC Fellow, American Centers for Oriental Research in Amman,
Research Fellow, Multi-Country Fulbright in Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and
Author of numerous books and articles on Islam
Numerous pilgrims and travellers report that the tombs of the Arab prophets are much longer than the tombs of ordinary people, ranging from ten to fifty meters in length. Little has been written on these long tombs despite their frequent mention in a variety of sources and the clear association between the Arab prophets and the giants of antediluvian times.
What scholarship has been done on Muslim tombs has tended to focus on the architecture and archaeology of cemeteries and on funerary rituals and the visitation of tombs by Muslim pilgrims. There has been some recognition of the so-called "Nine-Meter" [nau-gaz] long tombs in South and Southeast Asia, usually associated with the Muslim warriors [ghazi] involved in the earliest conquests of India, and have been identified primarily in northwest India and Pakistan but also as far east as Bengal and Java. Until how, however, no studies have been made of the connection between the nau-gaz tombs and the long tombs of the Arab prophets, nor has there been an attempt to explain the Islamic character of these tombs.
The lecture proposes a broad theoretical context with which to
interpret the nau-gaz tombs and the long tombs of prophets in the Hadhramawt and other locations throughout the Near East and Africa.
This study does not constitute a systematic overview of all the recorded long tombs, but rather highlights a number of details linking the Islamic examples with traditions from Hindu and Buddhist practices, classical Greece, and the ancient Near East. Some of the different explanations given for the length of particular tombs are examined with a goal of reaching a larger conception of how these long tombs are related to Islamic models of prophet hood and the spread of religion. The comparison of these various traditions suggest that the long tombs are to be understood as part of an Islamic ideology of the origins and development of civilization from the time of Adam and Eve's fall from Eden to the prophet Muhammad and beyond.
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Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:51pm
http://www.crowcanyon.org/ResearchReports/CastleRock/Text/crpw_nativeperspective.htm
I cannot say if there exists an oral historical account of Castle Rock Pueblo within my Taos Pueblo oral history. However, during the times when Pueblo people lived in southwestern Colorado, there were many things happening. For example, there are stories of battles between giants and different tribes. Some stories are based on facts; others are based on accounts passed down orally through the centuries. In those times, many of the events involved a higher order of spiritual power. We may be looking at the results of events in the past that were influenced by higher-order spiritual powers within these communities.
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As far as analyzing data and interpreting archaeological accounts, such as the conflict at Castle Rock Pueblo, the fact remains that we Pueblo people have been involved in conflicts throughout our history—sometimes within our own pueblos, sometimes with raiding parties from other groups. Conflict is not unique to Pueblo society; it is the result of human interaction with others. Stories of conflict can be found throughout Pueblo oral history, whether the conflicts involved fighting giants or a raiding party or a dispute between neighbors. Conflict naturally occurs in any society where resources such as food, water, or farmland are limited. It can also develop when villages grow or where an influx of new people in a region creates a stage for confrontation. We are, after all, human, and human beings have been known to do some of the most inhuman things to other humans. Pueblo people are no different. War is ugly and unpleasant, even if it is done for your own survival, for the defense of your own people, or your way of life. Warriors and war societies have existed since the beginning of time. Yet, finding evidence of warfare in ancestral sites may to some seem appalling. However, I feel that people in any society may be drawn into conflict if they believe it is necessary for the protection, security, and survival of themselves and their families. Such conflicts can escalate and lead to widespread death and destruction.
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Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:52pm
http://www.internetezy.com.au/~mj129/Mysterious_Australia_Homepage.html
In 1999 the Gilroys formed URU Publications and have so far published "Pyramids in the Pacific - The Unwritten History of Australia" and "Giants From the Dreamtime - The Yowie in Myth and Reality", with more titles on the horizon, including a monster book on unknown animals, which is seen as the 'Bible' of Australian Cryptozoology, just as their "Giants From the Dreamtime" is hailed as the 'Bible' of Yowie research in Australia.
There have been attempts by university academics to discredit Rex Gilroy's books, even to the point of sending a delegation to the Gilroy home to ask them to withdraw "Pyramids in the Pacific" from sale while a university historian went over the text, and who would subsequently tell them what they had to remove and what they could retain!
The 'delegation' [which included an elderly retired politician in his nineties!] was naturally sent packing by Rex - after a lecture on free speech and the freedom of people to make up their own minds about what they want to believe about our ancient past.
At this the former politician retorted "The public have to be told what to think sometimes!"
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/canyon.txt
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Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:54pm
http://www.google.com/search?q=horned+skeletons+Elmira+and+Wellsville,+NY&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-14,GGLD:en&start=10&sa=N
Introduction
At the boundary between Yogyakarta and Surakarta nowadays, there are several temples which are scattered from one to another not more than 1 km. It is interesting to note that those temples belong to the sacred place of two religions: Hinduism and Buddhism. Those temples were constructed between the eighth century and the ninth century A.D.
Prambanan, a name so called for the com-plex of those temples, is a beautiful and fertile region. In ancient time, it was the place where the capital of a kingdom-now known as "Keraton Boko"-stood. But it is a pity that the ruins of the palace can not give any hint about the existence of the kingdom and those who had reigned there. A clearer hint is from Kalasan's inscription which was written in "pra nagari" characters, dated from A.D. 778. This was clarified in the ins-cription of -Raja Balitung from the year of A.D. 907. Raja Balitung's inscription mentions the pedigree of the kings who reigned in that period. It was the period when the Sanjaya dynasty reigned. Their religion was Hinduism.
Simultaneously, during that very period, the dynasty of Sailendra, whose religion was Buddhism, was also blooming. This Sailendra dynasty had been closely related to the kingdom of Sriwijaya in Palembang. At that particular time, Buddhism reached its peak and left many grand monuments which still stand to the present time.
Prambanan temple, as it is known now adays, is a name given to the complex of several sanctuaries of Siwa. Infact, it is more accurate to call it Siwa's temple (Candi Siwa) according to the real character of the temples. Some of sanctuaries in the complex have been restored, but most of them are in ruins.
The effort of restorating these Candi Siwa is still continuing and has produced a fantastic monumental masterpiece which we can enjoy. Visiting the complex of Candi Siwa at Prambanan will set our imaginations lose, and the impression is fantastic or amazing!
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If, at the start, we enter the Candi Siwa from the east side and keep on walking along the gallery of the temple, we will see the temple walls. This relief describes the story of Ramayana. If we want to read the relief, we should turn to the left side after entering from the east gate. There is 41 frames of Ramayana’s story in Candi Siwa. The story itself could be summarized as follow:
The God Wisnu is asked to descend to the world at the request of kings of this world. For his duty as a protector of the world, Wisnu is incarnated in Rama, a knight of Ayodya’s kingdom, and son of King Dasarata. Rama, who now is the incarnation of Wisnu, is requested by a Brahmin called Wiswamitra to kill giants who are regularly disturbing the Brahmins. Rama is successful in killing those annoying giants, including Tataka, a giantess. After eliminating those disturbers, in accordance with Wiswamitra's sug-gestion, Rama joins a competition in which the winner will be awarded a beautiful princess. This princess, named Sinta, is a daughter of Wiswa-mitra's friend, King Janaka. Rama wins the competition in pulling the sacred bow of King Janaka, so he has right to make Sinta his wife. Then Rama goes back to Ayodya. On the way to Ayodya, Rama is intercepted by Paracurama, but Rama defeats him. After his arrival in Ayodya, Rama will be crowned as a king, as a successor of hisfather. But Kekayi, the second wife of King Dasarata, asks her husband tofulfill his previously made promise to her. As the King promised, it's her son, Bharata, who will be king. Also, Rama is to be banished into theforest, that's the request Of Kekayi. Rama fulfills Kekayi's wishes sincerely and Bharata is crowned as the new king. Dasarata, who is left by Rama, is very sad, becomes sick and finally dies.
In his isolation in the forest, Rama is ac-companied by his younger brother Laksamana, and Rama's wife Sinta. There they come across a giantess named Cupanaka, whofalls in love with Rama. But Rama spurns her as also does Lak-samana. Cupanaka isfurious and tells this matter to her brother, Rahwana, the king of giants. When Rah wana comes to Rama's place, he sees Sinta and falls in love with her. With various tricks, Rahwana kidnaps Sinta successfully and flees to Alengka. Rama and Laksamana try to find her and kill Rahwana.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:54pm
http://www.google.com/search?q=horned+skeletons+Elmira+and+Wellsville,+NY&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-14,GGLD:en&start=10&sa=N
Encyclopedia Brittanica online
Mythology > The beginning of the world of giants, gods, and men
The story of the beginning is told, with much variation, in three poems of the Elder Edda, and a synthesis of these is given by Snorri Sturluson in his Prose Edda. Snorri adds certain details that he must have taken from sources now lost.
Defective as it is, the account of the “Völuspá” appears to be the most rational description of the cosmogony. The story is told by an age-old seeress who was reared by primeval giants. In the beginning there was nothing but Ginnungagap, a void charged with magic force. Three gods, Odin and his brothers, raised up the earth, presumably from the sea into which it will ultimately sink back. The sun shone on the barren rocks and the earth was overgrown with green herbage.
Later, Odin and two other gods came upon two lifeless tree trunks, Askr and Embla, on the shore. They endowed them with breath, reason, hair, and fair countenance, thus creating the first human couple.
A quite different story is told in the didactic poem “Vafthrúdnismál” (“The Lay of Vafthrúdnir”). The poet ascribes his ancestry to a primal giant, Aurgelmir, who sometimes goes by the name Ymir. The giant grew out of the venom-cold drops spurted by the stormy rivers called Élivágar. One of the giant's legs begat a six-headed son with the other leg, and under his arms grew a maid and a youth. The earth was formed from the body of the giant Ymir who, according to Snorri, was slaughtered by Odin and his brothers. Ymir's bones were the rocks, his skull the sky, and his blood the sea. Another didactic poem, “Grímnismál” (“The Lay of Grímnir [Odin]”), adds further details. The trees were the giant's hair and his brains the clouds. Snorri quotes the three poetic sources just mentioned, giving a more coherent account and adding some details. One of the most interesting is the reference to the primeval cow Audhumla (Auðumla), formed from drops of melting rime. She was nourished by licking salty, rime-covered stones. Four rivers of milk flowed from her udders and thus she fed the giant Ymir. The cow licked the stones into the shape of a man; this was Buri (Búri), who was to be grandfather of Odin and his brothers. The theme of the creation of the world from parts of the body of a primeval being is also found in Indo-Iranian tradition and may belong to the Indo-European heritage in Germanic religion.
A central point in the cosmos is the evergreen ash, Yggdrasill, whose three roots stretch to the worlds of death, frost-giants, and men. A hart (stag) is biting its foliage, its trunk is rotting, and a cruel dragon is gnawing its roots. When Ragnarök approaches, the tree will shiver and, presumably, fall. Beneath the tree stands a well, the fount of wisdom. Odin got a drink from this well and had to leave one of his eyes as a pledge.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 2:55pm
http://www.archaeologytoday.net/archaeology_09-18-2003.html
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx135.htm
Article originally published in the first edition of The ‘X’ Chronicles Newspaper
UFO Digest, May 1999
The movie Stargate has become a popular video cassette rental. Its feature film release was met with disappointing reviews, however, a sort of cult following has ensued as people have started discovering the movie by word of mouth. It deals with a touchy subject... Aliens that visited Earth thousands of years ago. I learned about the film from the company that was producing a CD ROM about the movie called The Secrets of Stargate. The associate producer of the CD ROM, Joel Mills, had learned that I had in my possession photographs that could prove that the movie Stargate was based on historical fact. They wanted to include copies of the photographs of the "unusual giant skulls" that my wife (Bea) and I had collected over the past five years. It seems that the movie deals with the theory that extra terrestrials had used humans as slaves to mine metal in Egypt thousands of years ago. Mills felt these giant skulls were proof that the ancient pharaohs the the same elongated skulls hidden under their crown head-dress, and that, in fact, the Coneheads of Saturday Night Live are based on fact, not fiction. I pointed out to him that Egypt's King Akhenaton and his daughters were proud of their distinct features (elongated skulls) and the true facts of this royal family are shrouded in controversy. Some historians point out that the giant skulls of this family are a deformity caused by inbreeding. Others discount this and claim that it is the art style of the Armana period. The secret society known as the Rosicrucians place King Akhenaton on their highest pedestal by reconstructing his statue and main temple at their head office in San Jose, California.
Mills also asked permission to use photographs of giant skulls that I had obtained while filming at the Nasca lines in Peru. Although Stargate did not deal with a Peruvian connection, he felt the world needed to see the photographs to understand that ancient skulls of extraordinary dimensions could be found at other major archaeological sites around the world, in particular, the Nasca Line and the ruins of Peru.... in the shadows of the Cheops pyramids in Egypt... and the ancient Mayan ruins of Central America... The Triangle of the Ancient Gods. I was happy to send him the photos but warned him that the photos would probably be too controversial fo the general public. He seemed surprised at this comment and wondered why he hadn't seen pictures like this before. The complicated answer took a great deal of time to explain! I will try to encapsulate this answer and relate to you a brief history of these unusual skulls. I first came across drawings of the skulls in a book by Ignatius Donnelly called Atlantis, The Antedeluvian World. The author tries to prove that at one time there existed a Continent in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean that sank into the sea. Before it sank, the rulers left for Egypt, Mexico and Peru and became rulers of these countries.
He found information about these skulls hidden in the Library of Congress in Washington. I had learned from the Peruvian government that these unusual skulls could be found in many museums in Peru and excavations were uncovering them even now near the Nasca Plateau. I had read Erich Von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods? and remembered his theories of ancient astronauts landing in this desert area. A few years ago, we were invited to film and photograph these skulls and other discoveries that Peruvian archaeologists are currently unearthing. These skulls are so numerous in the area of the Nasca desert that youcan find small makeshift museums in the backyards of the locals. They dug up their ancestors so you can view their remains for a small fee. Some skulls show the evidence of ancient brain surgery that prove their ancestors possessed certain abilities that modern science has just recently discovered. Stunned, we wondered why we had not seen photographs of these skulls before. Our guides explained their church leaders feel these skulls are the work fo the devil, the offspring of the fallen angels in the Bible.
In Mexico we found the same types of skulls in a museum in Merida, a city close to the ruins of Palenque. Lord Shield Pascal had the same elongated skull, an image which is found engraved on his tomb. Erich Von Daniken has described the drawings as Pascal sitting in a rocket ship. The conquering Spaniards found the natives deforming their heads to make them appear more "god like" and the priests declared them devil worshippers. Mean while in Egypt, King Akhenaton was also regarded as a heretic and all information about this king was obliterated until just recently. These finding prove that the rulers of these advanced societies all shared the common bond of huge skulls and brains that probably provided them with superior intelligence. This information has been shared by secret societies and religious leaders for hundreds of years and up until now they had decided to keep these secrets for themselves. All who first see the pictures feel... "They show proof of beings from another world." It seems that these conclusions were deemed to be too shocking for the average person and that these skulls were to be dismissed as deformities and hidden far from public view. That is, until President Fujimori took power in Peru. He had decided to allow the skulls to be photographed and has brought them to the attention of the world.
Resistance to publishing the photographs has remained, and there appears to be a world wide cover-up of the skulls true origins. The only answers seems to be that public knowledge of "Fallen Angels" or ancient astronauts would disrupt society and the world's religions. I told Joel Mills he would probably face the same struggle to get the photos published in the CD ROM, just as we have encountered with the various news media. He felt sure that the time was here and now to wake up the world, and that the movie Stargate was just the beginning. I wished him luck and success with the idea and sent him all the material I had in my possession to document the facts he needed. Several months passed and then one day he phoned to tell me he had left the CD ROM production team and that none of the skull photographs would be included in The Secrets of Stargate. After several run-ins with executives in Hollywood, the pictures wee deemed to be unsuitable for inclusion in The Secrets of Stargate. He was much happier with his new job promoting a public speaker that teaches the history and wisdom of ancient Egypt and again asked for permission to use the photographs, but this time for private presentations only. He had learned first hand about the powers that have kept these pictures hidden from the public.
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 4:39pm
BONES of CONTENTION: All Over the Place
1792 New York, Buffalo: Turner’s History of the Holland Purchase reports that 7 and 8 foot skeletons were found at an earthen fort in Orleans county with broad flat topped skulls.
1800 Ohio, Conneaut: Among the normal size skeletons found in the remains of mounds were found gigantic bones. Some of the skulls and jaws were large enough to fit over the head and face of a normal man.
1821 Tennessee, White County: An ancient fortification contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.
1825 Ohio Valley: David Cusick, a Tuscorora by birth, wrote that among the legends of the ancient people of the stock, there was a powerful tribe called Ronnongwetowanca. They were giants, and had a "considerable habitation." When the Great Spirit made the people, some of them became giants. After a time, and having endured the outrages of these giants, it is said that the people banded together, and through the final force of about 800 warriors, successfully annihilated the abhorrent Ronnongwetowanca. After that, it was said that there were no giants anywhere. This was supposed to have happened around 2,500 winters before Columbus discovered America, around 1000 BC.
1829 Ohio, Chesterville: In digging away a mound where a hotel was to be built, a large human skeleton was found, but no measurements were made. It is related that the jawbone was found to fit easily over that of a citizen of the village. The local physicians examined the cranium and found it proportionately large, with more teeth than the white race of today. The skeleton was taken to Mansfield, and has been lost sight of entirely.
1833 California, Lompock Rancho: Soldiers digging at Giant Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. Carved shells, stone axes, and other artifacts surrounded the skeleton. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried when local Indians became upset about the remains.
1835 Illinois, Lake County: In the numerous mounds in the county, skeletons ranging between 7 and 8 feet are discovered.
1845 Virginia: A human jaw bone of great size was uncovered in a burial mound on which the teeth stood transversely in the jawbone.
1849 New York: From "Illustrations of the Ancient Monuments of Western New York" comes the report that an elliptical mound above near the Conewango Valley held eight big skeletons. A thigh bone was found to be 28” long. Exquisite stone points, enamelwork, and jewelry were found. Also discovered in the area were a number of other large skeletons one almost 9 feet in height.
1850 New York: From the History of Allegany County in 1879 a report that very large human bones were uncovered during excavation for the railroad
1851 New York: A skull rib bone, and shinbone were found that indicated the height to be over 8 feet tall.
1856 West Virginia, Wheeling: A human skeleton was discovered by labourers while ploughing a vineyard measuring almost 11 feet tall.
1858 Ohio, Vermillion Township: Skeletons of a race of beings much larger than the local inhabitants were discovered.
1870 Ohio: In Brush Creek Township a large mound contained skeltal remains of several humans up to nine feet tall. A large stone tablet with unknown insriptions similiar to Greek writing was also found.
1872 Ohio, Seneca Township: When the "Bates" mound was opened the remains of three skeletons, whose size would indicate they measured in life, at least, eight feet in height, were found. A remarkable feature of these remains was they had double teeth in front as well as in back of mouth and in both upper and lower jaws.
1873 Ohio, Seville: An Ohio Bicentennial Commission historical marker serves as a reminder that the Giants of Seville, Captain Martin Van Buren Bates and his wife, Anna Swan Bates, lived in the village of Seville in Medina County. Anna stood 7 feet 11 1/2 inches tall and weighed 413 pounds. Martin was 7 feet 9 inches tall and weighed 480 pounds.
1873 Washington DC: "The objects here collected which have not been given, or acquired by exchange, have been purchased for the use of the museum by order of the surgeon-general... There is a skeleton of a giant, who, in life, measured seven feet, prepared by Auzoux and mounted by Blanchêne's method, which, if I may use that term, is really a beauty. It is as white and clean as new fallen snow, and the brass joints and screws which keep it together are bright, and of the latest style and finish." From the article "The Army Medical Museum in Washington" by Louis Bagger, Appletons' Journal: A Magazine Of General LiteratureVolume 9, Issue 206
Re: There were giants in the earth in those days
Post by Bones on Dec 10th, 2005, 4:39pm
1875 West Virginia, Rivesville: Workmen constructing a bridge near the mouth of Paw Paw Creek uncovered three giant skeletons with strands of reddish hair clinging to the skulls. The skeletons had supported people approximately 8 feet tall.
1876 Wisconsin: Mounds were excavated containing a giant skull and vertebrae.
1877 Missouri, Kansas City: A giant skull was unearthed when mounds wore opened and giant man tracks belonging to humans 25 to 30 feet tall were discovered.
1877 Nevada, Eureka: Prospectors found a human leg bone and kneecap sticking out of solid rock. Doctors examined the remains and determined they were from a human being, and one that stood over 12 feet tall. The rock in which the bones were found was dated geologically to the Jurassic Period, over 185 million years old.
1878 Ohio, Ashtabula County: While excavating the ground for graves, bones were exhumed, which seemed to have belonged to a race of giants. A skull and jaw were found, which were of such size that the skull would fit easily over a large man’s head like a loose fitting helmet, even with the jaw in place. The number of these graves has been estimated to be between two and three thousand.
1879 Indiana, Brewersville: A skeleton almost ten feet tall was excavated from a mound.
1880 Ohio, Zanesville: A skeleton was reported to have been of enormous dimensions found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics.
1880 Minnesota, Clearwater: Several giant skeletons were found with double rows of teeth.
1881 Ohio, Medina County: A jawbone of great size belonging to a human being was discovered, which contained eight jaw-teeth in each side, of enormous size; and the teeth stood transversely in the jawbone. It would pass over any man’s face with entire ease.
1882 West Virginia, Brewersville: The remains of a giant human in a sitting position with artifacts of stone and flint were discovered near White Day Creek.
1883 Minnesota, Warren: Ten skeletons of both sexes and of gigantic size were taken from a mound.
1883 North Dakota, Mandan: A cemetery of over 100 acres filled with bones of a giant race was discovered.
1883 Ohio, Marion County: During general construction projects in the area giant human skeletons were unearthed.
1883 Ohio, Brown County: In ancient settlement sites remains of giant humans among the fromer residents of normal stature.
1884 West Virginia, Kanawha County: A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound.
1885 Pennsylvania, Gasterville: A large mound contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault.
1886 Pennsylvania, Ellisburg: An 8 foot skeleton was discovered.
1886 New York: Dozens of human skeletons were discovered with oddly shaped skulls avearging 7 feet in height
1886 Illinois: A number of large skeletons were found in Logan County and artifacts showing a degree of advancement much higher that the native population had attained.
1887 Wisconsin, Le Crescent: Bones of giant humans were discovered in burial mounds.
1888 Ohio, Toledo: 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth twice as large as those of normal humans
1888 Minnesota, St. Paul: The remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall were discovered.
1890 Tennessee, Roane County: A giant skeleton was discovered measuring over 7 feet tall.
1891 Illinois, Dunleith: Members of the Bureau of Ethnology of the Smithsonian Institution discovered a large skeleton between 7 and 8 feet tall.
1891 Arizona, Crittenden: A giant was unearthed and a huge stone coffin that had evidently once held the body of a man 12 feet tall. A carving on the granite case indicated that he had six toes.
1892 Ohio Proctorville: From the Ironton Register, “Where Proctorville now stands was one day part of a well paved city, but I think the greater part of it is now in the Ohio river [sic]. Only a few mounds, there; one of which was near the C. Wilgus mansion and contained a skeleton of a very large person, all double teeth, and sound, in a jaw bone that would go over the jaw with the flesh on.”
1894 Illinois, Pike County: In a conical shaped mound a skeleton over 7 feet tal was found.
1895 Ohio, Toledo: A mound held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east "twice as large as those of present day people."
1896 Minnesota, Lake Koronis: The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered. At Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants were found.
1897 Ohio, Jackson: A mound on a farm contained a giant skeleton.
1898 Ohio, Lake Erie Islands: Eight skeletons were found near the United States Coast Guard lighthouse, one measuring over seven feet in height.
1911 California, Lovelock Cave: An 8-foot tall, red-haired mummy discovered. This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it was used for "initiation purposes.
1918 Alton, Illinois: Robert Pershing Wadlow was born, educated and buried in Alton, Illinois. His height of 8' 11.1" qualifies him as the tallest person in history, as recorded in the Guinness Book of Records. At the time of his death he weighed 490 pounds. Robert was born on February 22, 1918, and weighed a normal eight pounds, six ounces.
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http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page46.html
Ohio Valley Bones: Reality? or Imagination?
Written Reports of Giant Races in the Ohio Valley Area
The History of Marion County, Ohio (1883)
(The skull at left is from 1996, taken by J.C. Chatters of Kennewick Man, Washington State) As we see, evidence for the occupation of this region before the appearance of the red man and the white race is to be found in almost every part of the country, as well as through the Northwest generally. In removing the gravel bluffs, which are numerous and deep, for the construction and repairs of roads, and in excavating cellars, hundreds of human skeletons, some of them giant form have been found. A citizen of Marion County estimates that there were about as many human skeletons in the knolls of Marion County as there are white inhabitants at present.
The History of Brown County, Ohio (1883)
Mastodonic remains are occasionally unearthed and from time to time, discoveries of the remains of Indian settlements are indicated by the appearance of gigantic skeletons with high cheek bones, powerful jaws and massive frames peculiar to that of the Red man who left these as the only record with which to form a clue to the history of past ages.
Now and Long Ago: A History of the Marion County Area
She said also that three skeletons were found at the mouth of the Paw Paw Creek many years later, while Nim (Nimrod) Satterfield was justice of the peace. Jim Dean and some men were digging for a bridge foundation and found these at the lower end of the old buffalo wallow. She thought it was Dr. Kidwell, of Fairmont, who examined them and said they were very old, perhaps thousands of years old. She said that when the skeletons were exposed to the weather for a few days, their bones turned black and began to crumble, that Squire Satterfield had them buried in the Joliffe graveyard (Rivesville). All these skeletons, she said, were measured and found to be about eight feet long.
Historical Encyclopedia of Illinois and History of Lake County
Edited by Newton Bateman, L.L.D. and Paul Selby, A.M. (1902)
Of the very early history of the region which now embraces Lake County but little can be written. The Mound Builders had occupied it and now passed away, leaving no written language and but little even as tradition. These mounds were quite numerous. Excavations, have revealed the crumbling bones of a mighty race. Samuel Miller, who has resided in the county 1835, is authority for the statement that one skeleton which he assisted in unearthing was a trifle more than eight feet in length, the skull being correspondingly large, while many other skeletons measured at least seven feet.
Historical Collections of Ohio in Two Volumes
Editor: Henry Howe, L.L.D. (1888)
There were mounds situated in the eastern part of the village of Conneaut and an extensive burying-ground near the Presbyterian Church, which appear to have had no connection with the burying places of the Indians. Among the human bones found in the mounds were some belonging to men of gigantic structure. Some of the skulls were of sufficient capacity to admit the head of an ordinary man, and jaw bones that might have been fitted on over the face with equal facility. The other bones were proportionately large. The burying-ground referred to, contained about four acres, and with the exception of a slight angle in the conformity with the natural contour of the ground, was in the form of an oblong square. It appeared to have been accurately surveyed into lots running from north to south, and exhibited all the order and propriety of arrangement deemed necessary to constitute Christian Burial.
The Firelands Pioneer (1858)
In this connection I would say that Mr. Jonathan Brooks, now living in town, stated to me that his father, Benjamin Brooks, who lived with the Indians fourteen years, and was well acquainted with their language and traditions, told him and others that it was a tradition of the Indians that the first tribe occupying this whole country, was a black-bearded race, very large in size and subsequently a red-bearded race or tribe came and killed or drove off all the black-beards, as they called them.
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The Adair County (Kentucky) News: (January 5, 1897)
An old Indian mound has been opened on the farm of Harrison Robinson, four miles east of Jackson, Ohio and two skeletons of extraordinary size and great quantities of trinkets have been removed. some years ago a party of relic hunters, supposed to have been sent out in the interests of the Archeological Society visited the Robinson farm and after a few days search removed a great collection of stone hatchets, beads and bracelets, which were packed and shipped to an Eastern Institute and until this accidental discovery it was supposed that everything had been removed by the relic hunters. It is thought by many that more relics are to be found and preparations are being made for a thorough investigation.
American Indian Myths and Mysteries
Vincent H. Gaddis (1977)
He further told me of the killing of a big Indian at Buckchitawa, about the time of the settlement at Marietta. The Indians had a white prisoner whom they forced to decoy boats to the shore. A small boat was descending the river containing white people, when this prisoner was placed under the bank to tell those in the boat that he had escaped captivity, and to come to the shore and take him in. The Indians were concealed , but the big Indian stuck his head out from behind a large tree, when it was pierced by a bullet from the gun of the steersman of the boat. The Indians cried out Wetzel, Wetzel, and fled. This was the last ever seen of the prisoner. The Indians returned next day and buried the big Indian, who, he said, was twenty inches taller than he was, and he was a tall man.
Concealing evidence that conflicts with the accepted theory is common scientific skullduggery. For years the Smithsonian Institution has been accused of hiding in storage vaults things it doesn't like. In 1968 two Neanderthal-like skulls with low foreheads and large brows were found in Minnesota. As for dating, University of Minnesota scientists said they were reluctant to destroy any of the material, although carbon-14 testing only requires the burning of one gram of bone. They were sent to the Smithsonian. Later Dr. Lawrence Angel, curator of physical anthropology at the institution, said he had no record of the skulls there, although he was sure they were not lost. We have a right to wonder whether some professional scientists mightn't find a really early date for the bones distressing.
Hardesty's History of Monroe County, Ohio
When Chester Bishop was digging a cellar for Asahel Booth, at Clarington, many years ago, he came across a skeleton, the bones of which were removed carefully by Dr. Richard Kirkpatrick, and from his measurements the height of the man when living would have been 8 feet and 5 inches. It is probable that these were the bones of the big Indian of whom the Indian at Jackson's told me.
Ironton Register, Proctorville, (May 5, 1892)
Where Proctorville now stands was one day part of a well paved city, but I think the greater part of it is now in the Ohio River. Only a few mounds, there; one of which was near the C. Wilgus mansion and contained a skeleton of a very large person, all double teeth, and sound, in a jaw bone that would go over the jaw with the flesh on, of a large man; the common burying ground was well filled with skeletons at a depth of about 6 feet. Par of the pavement was of boulder stone and part of well preserved brick.
Sketches and Stories of the Lake Erie Islands
Theresa Thorndale, Sandusky, Ohio (1898)
A large quantity of human bones was discovered in a fissure in the limestone near the United States Coast Guard lighthouse. A crude tomb of black stone slabs , of a formation not known on the island was found many years ago beneath the roots of a huge stump. Eight skeletons were found, one measuring over seven feet in height.
Historical Collections of Ohio in Two Volumes, p.p.350-351 Noble County, Ohio
In Seneca township was opened, in 1872, one of the numerous Indian mounds that abound in the neighborhood. This particular one was locally known as the "Bates" mound. Upon being dug into it was found to contain a few broken pieces of earthenware, a lot fo flint-heads and one or two stone implements and the remains of three skeletons, whose size would indicate they measured in life at least eight feet in height. The remarkable feature of these remains was they had double teeth in front as well as in back of the mouth and in both upper and lower jaws. Upon exposure to the atmosphere the skeletons crumbled back to Mother Earth.
The Mound Builders: Robert Silverberg
This band of people of great size forced its way into the Ohio Valley about 1000 B.C., it seems. Perhaps there was a small elite of round-headed giants dominating and ruling an existing long-headed...
A History of Ashtabula County, Ohio (1878)
In cultivating the soil in the vicinity, implements have been found, and in excavating the ground for graves it is said that bones have been exhumed which seemed to have belonged to a race of giants. This land at one time belonged to a Mr. Pegleg Sweet, who was a man of large size and full features; and it is narrated at one time he, in digging, came upon a skull and jaw which were of such size that the skull would cover his head and the jaw could be easily slipped over his face, as though the head of a giant were enveloping his...The graves were distinguished by slight depressions in the surface of the earth, disposed in straight rows, which, with intervening spaces or valleys, covered the entire area. The number of these graves has been estimated at being between two and three thousand.
Aaron Wright, Esq., in 1800, made a careful examination of these depressions, and found them invariably to co
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Accounts and Articles
by Mike Frizzell of the Enigma Project
In 1981, several members of the Enigma Project took an interest in the ancient Grave Creek burial mound (Moundsville, WV). Our curiosity was aroused by the book, Weird America (Jim Brandon, 1978), which mentioned that 19th century mound excavations yielded some interesting artifacts. Among them was a silver-dollar sized stone tablet scribed with undecipherable glyphs and a skeleton with very "unusual" dentition. In the course of our research, we discovered that a modern museum had been built on property adjacent to the mound. Reasoning that the museum would be a showcase for the mound, its builders, and recovered artifacts, we journeyed to Moundsville, WV to see the Grave Creek Mound and museum firsthand. We found the mound to be an awesome structure (see attached), but to our amazement the museum was largely empty. Part of the building did have dioramas, drawings, and a few burial artifacts of the Adena people (one ancient eastern culture credited as mound builders). However, more of the museum had been devoted to the display of an enormous ballpoint pen collection than anything related to the burial mound! Later that year, two Enigma investigators traveled to Morgantown, WV to visit the State archeologist, as we had heard that he was very knowledgeable about the Grave Creek Mound and its artifacts. What the investigators discovered was that the archeologist had multiple crates of mound artifacts from Crave Creek and other WV mounds that were being "mothballed" in a storage room adjacent to his office. When questioned about the artifacts, and asked why they weren't on display, he said that they needed to be cleaned and properly cataloged before being displayed. Curiously, many of these artifacts had been excavated decades earlier.
In 2001, we again returned to the Mound and museum and were delighted to discovered that the museum was practically filled with Adena culture and burial mound artifacts and exhibits. Mention was made of skeletons found in the Grave Creek structure. However, if there was anything unusual regarding the bones, it was not found in the museum. To out delight, they did have a small exhibit dedicated to the Grave Creek tablet. Though the original has long since been lost, when it was first found someone had the presence of mind to make rubbings and copies of it. A number of attempts have been made to translate the strange glyphs. Unfortunately, no consensus has been reached on what it says, as a number of different translations have surfaced.
I am not aware of any "giant" skeleton remains on display anywhere in the US (I've always suspected that too many finds of this nature would rock the archeological boat by contradicting some feature of mainstream scientific dogma). Who knows what happens to items that threaten the scientific status quo??
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by Chad Arment of the North American Biofortean Review
Giant Amerindians
Most archaeologists who specialize in North American studies give little credence to reports of an extinct race of giant Amerindians. It is true that most reports of giant skeletons have been shown to be hoaxes or have lead to dead-ends when an investigator attempts to track down the bones. Circumstantial evidence abounds in the form of snippets of reports in various semi-Fortean publications. These can lead to the false impression that there is ample evidence available to determine if such a people existed.The question of giant prehistoric Amerindians has intrigued some scientists, however. Iscan and Kessel (1997) reported on an osteologic analysis of prehistoric southeastern U.S. Indians. Their study was based on the skeletal material of over 100 subjects, reporting a maximum average height of 169.8 cm for males, 164.0 cm for females. These figures could be considered "tall", but not extraordinarily so. The authors suggest a few reasons why so many of the early explorers claimed to see "giants" among the tribes they met.
Most Fortean stories about giant skeletons unearthed in North America lack any real details. Most are being passed along second-hand (or third-, or fourth-,...). There is, however, one intriguing tale from a Kentucky folklore book written by Michael Paul Henson (1984). Henson relates how he actually examined a body dug out from under a large rock ledge along Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky. In 1965, a landowner, Kenneth White, was building cattle stalls under the ledge when he found a "perfectly preserved skeleton" which measured 8 feet, 9 inches in length when reassembled. He states "the arms were extremely long and the hands were large. By comparison, the feet were very small." The skull was "30 inches in circumference. The eye and nose sockets were slits rather than cavities, and the area where the jaw bone hinges to the skull was solid bone. It would seem that the person could not have opened his mouth." A powdery white substance covered the skeleton, but no tools, weapons, or other human implements were found with the bones. The body was buried approximately five feet underground. Henson and the farmer assumed the skeleton to be a large, deformed Indian.
Unfortunately, White reburied the bones rather than taking them to a university for examination. Henson died in 1995, and any further notes he may have had on this fascinating story are unavailable (Henson 1996). I would suggest that further investigation of this tale could produce interesting results. We do not have exact locality for this report, but Holly Creek appears to be run through both Wolfe and Breathitt Counties in Kentucky.
Certainly, the evidence for a true race of giant Amerindians is lacking, but there are certainly other possible explanations for a large bipedal human-like skeleton being found in North America.
Henson, M.P. 1984. Tragedy at Devil's Hollow and other Haunting Tales from Kentucky. Bowling Green, KY: thingyerel Corp.
Henson, M.P. 1996. More Kentucky Ghost Stories. Johnson City, TN: The Overmoutain Press.
Iscan, M.Y., and M.H. Kessel. 1997. Giant Amerindians: Fact or Fantasy? Southeastern Archaeology 16(1): 73-78.
(Source: North American BioFortean Review #1, www.herper.com/NABR.html)
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A. Present day modern man which averages about 6-feet tall + or - several inches or more.
B. 15-foot human skeleton found in S/E Turkey in late 1950's in the Euphrates valley during road construction. Many tombs containing giants were uncovered here. This pertains to the picture of the giant human femur and myself above.
C. Maximinus Thrax Ceaser of Rome 235-238 A.D. This was an 8' 6" skeleton.
D. Goliath was about 9 feet + or - a few inches. I Samuel 17:4 late 11th century.
E. King Og spoken of in Deuteronomy 3:11 whose iron bedstead was approximately 14-feet by 6-feet wide. King Og was at least 12-feet tall, yet some claim up to 18.
F. A 19'6" human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne.
G. 23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France.
H. A 25' 6 " skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find.
I. Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.
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http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx215.htm
By Patricia Mason, June 28, 2000
While doing research on the ancient Mound Builders of the Ohio Valley, Ross Hamilton and I came across some remarkable information. Here in Ohio almost every county history book from the 1800s has a section devoted to the Mound Builders. They usually give a general overview of the Mound Builders, then a description of the mounds in the county and what they found in the mounds that were opened. Here are a few examples typical of the many accounts we've collected that remark on the large size and unusual characteristics of some of the human remains:
Historical Collections of Ohio in Two Volumes, Noble County, Ohio:
In Seneca township, in 1872, one of the numerous Indian mounds that abound in the neighborhood was opened, ... This particular one was locally known as the "Bates" mound. Upon being dug into it was found to contain a few broken pieces of earthenware, a lot of flint-heads and one or two stone implements and the remains of three skeletons, whose size would indicate they measured in life at least eight feet in height. The remarkable feature of these remains was they had double teeth in front as well as in back of mouth and in both upper and lower jaws. Upon exposure to the atmosphere the skeletons crumbled back to mother earth.
A History of Ashtabula County, Ohio, 1878 (in two separate entries):
(first entry)
In cultivating the soil in the vicinity implements have been found, and in excavating the ground for graves it is said that bones have been exhumed which seemed to have belonged to a race of giants. This land at one time belonged to a Mr. Peleg Sweet, who was a man of large size and full features; and it is narrated that at one time he, in digging, came upon a skull and jaw which were of such size that the skull would cover his head and the jaw could be easily slipped over his face, as though the head of a giant were enveloping his ...
(Second entry)
The graves were, distinguished by slight depressions in the surface of the earth, disposed in straight rows, which, with intervening spaces or valleys, covered the entire area. The number of these graves has been estimated to be between two and three thousand. Aaron Wright, Esq., in 1800, made a careful examination of these depressions, and found them invariably to contain human bones blackened with time, which upon exposure to the air soon crumbled to dust. Some of these bones were of unusual size, and evidently belonged to a race allied to giants. Skulls were taken from these mounds, the cavities of which were of sufficient capacity to admit the head of an ordinary man, and jaw-bones [sic] that might be fitted over the face with equal facility. The bones of the upper and lower extremities were of corresponding size.
History of Morrow County and Ohio, 1880:
In 1829, when the hotel was built in Chesterville, a mound near by was made to furnish the material for the brick. In digging it away, a large human skeleton was found, but no measurements were made. It is related that the jaw-bone [sic] was found to fit easily over that of a citizen of the village, who was remarkable for his large jaw. The local physicians examined the cranium and found it proportionately large, with more teeth than the white race of today. The skeleton was taken to Mansfield, and has been lost sight of entirely.
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THE ROCK GIANTS
CHE-HA-LUM'-CHE THE ROCK GIANT OF CALAVERAS COUNTY
The Northern Mewuk say:
Che-ha-lum'-che the Rock Giant carries on his back a big burden basket (che'-ka-la) which, like himself, is of rock. He lives in caves, of which there are two near Mountain Ranch or El Dorado in Calaveras County, one at Murphys, and one on Stanislaus River.
Che-ha-lum'-che comes out only at night and wanders about seeking Mewuk [people] to eat. He prefers women; of these he catches and carries off all he can find. Sometimes he makes a crying noise, hoo-oo'-oo like a baby, to lure them. If they come he seizes them and tosses them into his big pack basket and carries them to his cave, where he eats them. In the basket is a long spike which pierces their bodies when they are thrown in, so they can not escape.
In his caves are the remains of his victims--horns of deer and bones of people and different kinds of animals.
Indians never throw their dead into caves. If they did, Che-ha-lum'-che would get them. Any
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man who would put a dead person in a cave would be killed by the other Indians. 30
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Footnotes
232:30 Many human skulls and skeletons have been found in eaves along the west slope of the middle Sierra. The presence of human remains in these caves has been interpreted to mean that the Indians now living in the region practise cave burial, or did practise it until recent times. This is an error. The Indians of this region, the Mewuk, burned their dead, and look with horror on the suggestion that they or their ancestors might ever have put their dead in caves. They ask: "Would you put your mother, or your wife, or your child, or any one you love, in a cave to be eaten by a horrible giant?" The idea is so abhorrent to them that the theory of cave burial must be abandoned as preposterous.
The mythology of the Mewuk does not admit of any migration but describes the creation of the people in the area they still inhabit. This, in connection with the fact that these Indians speak a language wholly different from any known in any other part of the world, proves that they have occupied the lands they now occupy for a very long period--a period--which in my judgment should be measured by thousands of years.
This argues a great antiquity for the cave remains, for they must be those of a people who inhabited the region before the Mewuk came--and this takes us back a very long way into the past.
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LOO-POO-OI'-YES THE ROCK GIANT OF TAMALPAIS
The Hookooeko of Nicasio and San Rafael say:
A woman had a husband and two boy babies--
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twins. The woman's brother killed her husband and the little boys did not know that they ever had a father. When they were big enough they went off every day to play by a big rock in the woods. They went always to the same place; they liked this place and always went there. This was the very place where their father, when he was alive, used to go every day to sing, but the little boys did not know this--for they did not even know that they had ever had a father.
One day the boys heard somebody say: "You come here every day just as your father used to." The voice came from the rock; it was the voice of Loo'-poo-oi'-yes 31 the Rock Giant. Then the boys knew they had had a father. They went to the rock and saw long hairs sticking up. These hairs grew out of the nostrils of Loo'-poo-oi'-yes; the boys took hold of them and pulled them out.
This made Loo'-poo-oi'-yes angry and he took a long hooked stick and tried to catch the boys to kill them. He was all rock except a place on his throat where he wore an abalone shell. The boys, saw this and shot their arrows through it and killed him. When he died he fell to pieces; the pieces were rocks and scattered over the ground. Inside he was flesh like other people, but outside he was rock, except the place on his throat where the abalone shell was.
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235:31 The name Loo'-poo-oi'-yes means literally the old man of rock, from loo'poo rock, and oi'yes old man.
KA'-LUM-ME THE ROCK GIANT OF WENNOK VALLEY
The Olayome of Putah Creek say:
In a cave under the cliff on the east face of Oo'-tel-tal-lah pow'-we, a small mountain southwest of the south end of Wennok Lake in Lake County, dwells Kâ'-lum-me the Rock Giant. He used to roam about nights, catching Indians and carrying them off to his cave to eat. He has not done this for some time.
http://www.masonwinfield.com/ArchiveFiles/March%202004/ancient_mysteries5.htm
Stone Giants and Demon-Bears
Winter was the season when the Longhouse People - the **Hodenosaunee**, the Iroquois - spent even more of their time within the structures for which they were named. For the Iroquois this was the season of storytelling, when their fine imaginations cut loose. Such reverence was there for this winter tradition that there was said even to be a pact, made with the Little People, to keep storytelling all to that season. The powerful and sometimes invisible Little People were said to punish storytellers who broke this pact by telling stories at any other time of year.
As we enter into the Western New York winter, it’s time to take stock of a couple of Iroquois story-cycles. I realize these two tales - this is the second - may seem as well suited to the “Iroquois Mysteries” section of this website; but in this case the matter may have some relevance to reality, possibly ancestral memories of prehistoric life. In that sense it’s an ancient mystery. Last month we talked about the Demon-Bear.
Part 2
THE STONE GIANTS
The Iroquois called them “the Stone Giants.” Even the Shawnee have legends about them, fearsome in character and appearance. They seem, though, to be flesh and blood; they’re named for their hard armor or outer skins, weapon-proof scales gained by rolling in sand. The Iroquois’ Algonquin enemies believed their own wendigo acquired his stony protection that way, too.
Originally the Stone Giants were a neighboring tribe content to live and let live, but in their wanderings they endured famine in the cold of the north. They turned to raw flesh for sustenance, and came back into Iroquois territory with a taste for fresh Homo sapiens - as may be imagined, a source of intercultural discomfort.
It seems that at one point probably centuries before the arrival of Columbus the then-Five Nations were getting the worst of the business. It was then that the tide turned, and there are two versions of the matter.
In one, an Iroquois warrior who’d grown from an impressionable boy into a bold and mighty young man (the famous “Skunny-Wundy”) vowed to rid his nation of the trolls. He’d made a legend for himself among his own people, but his fame was not yet supernatural when he encountered one of the Stone Giants. He’d been for a swim and returned to his belongings on the bank of a creek just as a woman of this magical tribe inspected his tomahawk. She tasted it, licking the edge with her tongue, and then set about to see what it could do. The weapon shocked her by splitting a boulder at just a touch.
Unaware that it was her own act - her saliva - that (in the language of myth) gave the weapon some of the horrific magic that protected her tribe, the Stone Giantess presumed the weapon’s owner was mighty enough to beat her whole nation. The Iroquois hero was in no hurry to correct her, and added that he’d give her folk some of the boulder’s medicine if they ever troubled his people again. They made themselves scarce.
In another version of the Stone Giants’ demise, the creator-god of the Six Nations disguised himself as a studly specimen of Stone Gianthood. He persuaded his new colleagues to gather against the Five Nations into a single army. At the god’s direction they camped in a valley into which he started an avalanche from above. The Stone Giants were overwhelmed, but one got away, setting up shop in the Alleganies (near High Hat and modern Bigfoot sightings).
We could speculate a long time about these giants in the legends of the Iroquois.
1) They could be real, an ancient, extinct race of supersized humans. This isn’t as silly as it sounds. Many cultures have legends of a tribe of monstrous opponents with which their forbears battled. Some would interpret these tales as ancestral memories of prehistoric wars. Giant human bones have been reported all over the United States, and more than one speculator - on the edge, to be sure - has written about ancient American giants, possibly members of the Adena culture, an early mound-building people that seems to have left no descendants.
2) They could be European visitors like Vikings, known throughout the ancient world for their size - and their violence. These “Stone Giants” of the Iroquois certainly seem to be wearing armor. Many Vikings would have worn suits of chainmail.
3) They may be simply mythological.
4) They could even be talking about Bigfoot. There is a bestial quality to these “Stone Giants.” Bigfoot has been reported all over the US, and something like him exists in the mythologies of many Native American groups. A pair of giant, bestial human skulls were reported on Tonawanda Island near Buffalo in the early 1800s.
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Meganthropus is a subspecies of the extinct hominid species, Homo erectus. Its full name in binomial nomenclature is Homo erectus palaeojavanicus although it was once called Meganthropus palaeojavanicus. Meganthropus was given a subspecies classification to distinguish it from other fossilized representatives of Homo erectus on account of its enormous size. Based on scant, but adequate, existing fossilized remains, H. e. palaeojavanicus has been estimated to have stood roughly 9 feet tall (= 2.75 m) and weighed roughly 750 to 1000 pounds (= 340-450 kg). Remains of this subspecies, including remnants of its cranium, lower jaw, and femur, have been estimated to be roughly 1 million years old.
Meganthropus is a good example of the great variation that existed in the Homo erectus line that is only equalled among representatives of the Homo genus by the similar variations found in modern humans. Its remains were discovered in Indonesia and in Australia where another subspecies of Homo erectus, Homo erectus soloensis, has also been discovered. Although once not considered to be of the Homo genus due to its seemingly improbable size for a hominid, Meganthropus remains were found along with tools normally associated with the Acheulean era, but of great size, making it difficult to refute the intelligence of the titanic hominid.
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..... Click the link for more information. material[1]. Based on scant, but adequate, existing fossilized remains, H. e. palaeojavanicus has been estimated to have stood roughly 9 feet tall (= 2.75 m) and weighed roughly 750 to 1000 pounds (= 340-450 kg). Remains of this subspecies, including remnants of its cranium, lower jaw, and femur, have been estimated to be roughly 1 million years old.
It should be mentioned that estimations of M. paleojavanicus' large size are not highly regarded by most anthropologists.
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..... Click the link for more information. and supposedly in Australia The Commonwealth of Australia is a country in the Southern Hemisphere comprising the world's smallest continent and a number of islands in the Southern, Indian and Pacific Oceans. Australia's neighbouring countries are Indonesia, East Timor and Papua New Guinea to the north, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu and New Caledonia to the north-east, and New Zealand to the south-east.
..... Click the link for more information. where another subspecies of Homo erectus, Homo erectus soloensis Homo erectus soloensis (formerly classified as Homo sapiens soloensis) is a subspecies of the extinct hominid, Homo erectus. Remains of this anomalous hominid have been found in both Indonesia and Australia. Though its morphology was, for the most part, typical of Homo erectus, its culture was unusually advanced.
..... Click the link for more information. , has also been supposedly discovered. Although once not considered to be of the Homo genus due to its seemingly improbable size for a hominid, Meganthropus remains were found along with tools normally associated with the Acheulean Acheulean (also spelled Acheulian) is the name of an industry of stone tools used by prehistoric hominines. It applies to the Paleolithic epoch following the Abbevillian, and it is characterized by the use of pebble, bifacial, and flake tools which included hand axes. It is named after the site, Saint-Acheul, now a suburb of Amiens in northern France.
..... Click the link for more information. stone technology, and later study proved that the original physiological analysis of the fossils were incorrect [2].
It is possible that the material found was a group of individuals that were within the standard variation for Homo erectus [3], but were labelled together and possibly influencing the characteristics of a possible sub-species.
References
^ A.C. Durband 2003 A re-examination of purported Meganthropus cranial fragments. Speech to the AAPA 73rd Annual Meeting http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/dbman/db.cgi?db=schedule2003&uid=default&view_records=1&ID=*&nh=2
^ A.C. Durband. 2003 A re-examination of purported "Meganthropus" cranial fragments. American Journal of Physical Anthropology pg91
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Excavations here from 1936 to 1941 led to the discovery of the first hominid fossil at this site. Later, 50 fossils of Meganthropus palaeo and Pithecanthropus erectus/Homo erectus were found – half of all the world's known hominid fossils. Inhabited for the past one and a half million years, Sangiran is one of the key sites for the understanding of human evolution.
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The Committee decided to inscribe the nominated site under cultural criteria (iii) and (vi) as one of the key sites for the understanding of human evolution that admirably illustrates the development of Homo sapiens sapiens from the Lower Pleistocene to the present through the outstanding fossil and artefactual material that it has produced.